Volume level problem on first beat (mini jack adapter)

Olivier

Lishy
I use this one: Bluetooth THOMANN connected to my XR18 sound system (behringer)

Lishy

Olivier ah ok. I use the xvive p3 stereo dongles for count in and back tracking tracks and have had no issues with it so far.
I do use quite a lot of wireless gear on stage that use various frequencies.

Olivier

royandreno
On which model of tablet do you use the USBC to mini jack adapter please?

royandreno

Olivier I use iPad Pro, 5th gen. I use a USB-C to mini jack adapter as I described, and it works perfect. No silencing problem in the beginning. I recommend a cable connection between your iPad and your mix for gigs. Bluetooth will always have some latency, but when the song is running it is not a problem. I would have preferred a wireless connection, but at the moment I haven't found a trustworthy solution.

Olivier

royandreno
Ok thank you for this answer (I don't know if it works as well on the 2018 iPad pro 11 which is more within my budget...)
For information, I find this Bluetooth receiver very reliable: BLUETOOTH Thomann
I use it to put on a Deezer playlist before and after our concert, it runs for hours without dropouts.
The only problem during the concert is that if I leave it on Bluetooth, the low latency there makes us miss all the starts when we start playing our instruments (at the right bpm though) before pressing play to start the arrangement on a 2nd verse or chorus each time, the synchronization is impossible and difficult to anticipate if you try to start reading a little before, you never get it right...

Thank you for all these very interesting discussions.

royandreno

Lishy I bought the Xvive P3 as well. Started off working quite nice, then next time, massive problems with interference and noise. Maybe I had a bad pair. Went back to cable, no issues.

Olivier

Lishy
Do you mean that with your p3 stereo Bluetooth receiver there is no difference in latency with a wired connection?
Does the music start exactly as soon as START is pressed without any ms delay?
If this is the case I will also buy this solution to test…
You only notice this latency if you start playing at the correct bpm before pressing START on a 2nd verse or orchestrated chorus...
THANKS

jaytrax

I would imagine your issue would be fixed with the official Apple connector

As for wireless audio,
CME who make Widimaster etc have developed a proprietary wireless audio solution,
It isn’t Wi-Fi or Bluetooth and sends the full frequency spectrum and not compressed in any way

These are not available to purchase at the moment but you can sign up for frequent updates and it’s final revision isn’t far away

Olivier

jaytrax
Thank you for this interesting information.
I actually regret having returned the iPad pro 11 without having tested a 3rd adapter (the official Apple one - I did not do it because they do not offer a version with USB charging at the same time but only the USB to mini audio jack adapter). If only someone on this forum could confirm to me that it works well with this 2018 iPad 11 pro, I would be ready to recommend it (the more recent versions are out of budget for me unfortunately...).
THANKS

Lishy

Olivier well I’m sure there is as it’s bluetooth but none that I can tell. I use it for a count in and visual 1, 2, 3, 4 mainly and don’t notice anything.

Damir

Olivier I use Belkin brand with audio and usb charge , no issues, and it’s a well known brand in Australia and available in big stores.

Olivier

Damir
THANKS.
But I believe that the adapter you are talking about is on a lightning port, right? With your iPhone 11 Pro Max which you spoke about in a previous message... (if the iPad Pro 11 2018 is a USB-C)

Damir

Olivier I thought they had both options in actual fact I was struggling to find lightning option as it was mostly usb c that was available while searching , usb c seems to be the standard now so it should be available.

Olivier

Damir
yes they are available in both options (lightning and usb-c)
What I wanted to say is that with your lightning port I'm not surprised that it works well, it also works with my old iPad Air2 (thanks Peter for being able to maintain compatibility with his application, I I have this tablet because I use a Behringer XR18 sound system and it is the latest version of iOS which seems to work well with it - It is no longer functional since iOS 16 but it is another problem, I move away from the subject)
In short, I'm worried about the same effectiveness of USBC compared to Lightning on this audio adapter thing...

Damir

Olivier i see, i happen to have a newer ipad with usb c adapter which i was going to use with ST3 but gave it to my wife and kept the old ipad pro 10.5 because it had the headphone jack, i now always keep a full backup on that ipad incase my good old ipad shitsitself , gets stolen , or gets too far out of date, but i never really tested the usb c adapter for instant start issue, i might fire it up and see if it suffers the problem you have when i get a chance.
I also use XR18 😂 for bigger things but i normally use small yamaha 10ch mini mixer for smaller gigs.

Olivier

Damir
Thank you for your reply. It would be great if you could test occasionally with the usbc adapter on the one you gave your wife, thanks!
iCloud synchronization is really great for quickly finding all our titles on all our iOS devices!
The test would allow you to see if you would be operational directly with this iPad, if your old iPad ever falls ill or is borrowed permanently by a stranger 😅
Besides, which iPad Pro is this? I thought the minimum size was 11 inches for pro and not 10.5? THANKS

Olivier

Damir
Hi Damir. Does the XR18 app work with your iPad Pro 10.5? I read (on the Apple store and elsewhere) that this poses a problem for iPads with iOS higher than 15…
If you have no problem I wonder if I will not buy the same version of iPad as you … (10.5 with mini jack socket before if they remove it on the following versions…)
Thank you!

Damir

Olivier my good old faithful ia a 10.5 inch ipad pro with 256gb memory and its the last model that had the headphone jack and a round home button, my new crappy iPad pro is an 11inch screen with 256gb drive NO home button and NO headset button, so my upgrade was an actual downgrade, theres a sucker born every day 🤪😂😫, but thats life , i am waiting for the latest 10.753416 inch with 64gb ram drive so i can really go backwards 🤮,just joking, i still have my original 128gb iPad pro 9inch with the original ST2 that works fine it also has a home button and a headset out, hello Apple are you reading this.
Enough bitching, i will try the new ipad and report my finding after i get through the weekend.
Cheers Damir

Olivier

Damir
Thank you for all these answers, you are super invested in this forum! Have a nice day

Damir

Olivier sorry Oliver, I spent this evening searching for the damn usb c converter lead amongst hundreds of various leads and places without luck , so much for my wife’s backup iPad plan, without the damn lead it might as well be a brick door stop, i will have to buy another one to then find the first one otherwise I will never find it.
Just as well I discovered this now
Thanks Damir

Olivier

Damir
In France we have this model from BELKIN which seems to be of quality: BELKIN ADAPTER

Damir

Olivier thats the one i have 3 of lightning and 1 of usb C which i cant find, in white colour, but i prefer black as it doesn't stand out like dogs balls on stage, that should work perfectly.