Open Beta Version 3.4.0

Damir

Problem found.
Play a multitrack song activate Auto loop on this song then select it as the next song, you shuld find it gets to the end it selects the next free song which is correct but it does not play itself again it actually does not allow you to do anything unless you stop the song and choose another song then get back on to it, if you choose another song to auto play it works as expected but not to itself.
The same scenario on a stereo song works fine and is a great feature if you instantly want to repeat the same song.

peter

Damir Play a multitrack song activate Auto loop on this song then select it as the next song, you shuld find it gets to the end it selects the next free song which is correct but it does not play itself again

I can confirm. Will be fixed in the release version.

Damir There is still the issue in playlist Auto play highlight of button, if you select a song that has had an auto play selected and arrow showing, if you select that song while auto play button is not highlighted you will find it wont highlight the auto play button.

Can't reproduce. Autoplay button is off, select a song in a playlist where autoplay is on (on the song, not on the playlist). Button is now highlighted. I think you select a song where autoplay for the playlist is active.

Damir Auto play arrows dont appear in song mode in the song select column like in playlist or queu.

That's working as intended. Songs can't have autoplay per se. Only when part of a playlist. Autoplay is a property of the playlist membership.

Damir I have saved a multitrack song folder with 6 tracks in it to the MULTITRACK FILES folder, i have found all 6 files have been recreated directly to the MULTITRACK FILES folder as well.

Correct. You can't just add folders anywhere. It does not work for normal songs and it does not work for multitrack songs.

Damir

Reporting on EQ reset problem, this now appears to work as expected, well done.
Feedback on the multitrack EQ , simply put it is horible to use.
The interface colour is to monotone and hard to recognise things, lableing is poor, i dont know what instrument i am tweaking Track 1 equalizer tells me nothing,i know i am in the equalizer but what istrument am i tweaking.
The undo button position has had me push the icons just above it by mistake as they stand out more 50/50 percent of the time i have accidentally exited the EQ by mistake, having that space above is definitely more of a nucence then help just from that point of view, not to mention having to scroll to get to all the EQ settings, definitely can be improved even without a professional, its just so obvious.
Multi Track setup screen is also very monotone and absolutely confusing with small name of track wich is dominated by MAIN OUTPUT everywhere as you scroll down to actually find a track everything is a blur forcing you to read every single line carefully, the actual instrument names just below in monotone colour again very hard to read , no track number, this is where you need the track number to be obvious and the instrument name. I think you get the point.

There is still the issue in playlist Auto play highlight of button, if you select a song that has had an auto play selected and arrow showing, if you select that song while auto play button is not highlighted you will find it wont highlight the auto play button.

Auto play arrows dont appear in song mode in the song select column like in playlist or queu.

Damir

Multitrack Files - folder.
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I have saved a multitrack song folder with 6 tracks in it to the MULTITRACK FILES folder, i have found all 6 files have been recreated directly to the MULTITRACK FILES folder as well.
Example, Drums.wav in song folder also appears as Drums_1.wav this is going to create a shitload of Same named files with numbers after them and use up double the space.

In configute multi track playback the waveform song plays through and just stays at the end it should auto return to beginning.

Damir

Go to playlist select a song autoplay select auto play choose another song without auto play get back to the song with auto play you will see no highligt on autoplay button.

If you then tap on auto play again it highlights the button and does nothing to the arrow if you tap it again it will then turn off the highlight again and it will also remove the arrow.
There is something fishy about the logic.

peter

Damir Go to playlist select a song autoplay select auto play choose another song without auto play get back to the song with auto play you will see no highligt on autoplay button.

I did that. See here:

Highlighting of the button works as expected. What am I doing differently?

What is indeed confusing though is the difference between playlist autoplay and individual song autoplay. I will therefore color the autoplay indicator on songs the same color as the button. So if you enable playlist autoplay, the indicators will be grey and if you enabled it for a song the indicator will be blue or whatever.

Damir

Arrows apearing next to songs that have autoplay engaged should be consistant no matter what or where.
The user does not understand programming nor should they,
they just want consinsteny this is what makes a good interface and software.
Can you perhaps create some magical simple command whenever a song is selected and it has the arrow next to it it lights the autoplay button and whenever there isnt an arrow it simply turns off the highlight in the Auto play button so it can work correctly everywhere.
And the other way is whenever a song is chosen no matter where it is and auto play button is used, it looks at the song thats chosen and simply changes the state its in.
Meaning if the song has no arrow it places one and then will highlight automatically, if the song has an arrow it removes it and this state then removes its highlight.
If there is a different system used in songs and playlists my way of thinking would ignore those systems and simply work in both as the logic looks at the song thats selected to determine to what its going to do to behave correctly to the user.
Perhaps the way its doing things now is doing it in the wrong way which is then limitting to what you can do.I dont know i wish i knew what you have to work with so i could make better suggestions.

Damir

Extreme examples of what should be possible

I have found that having a window the way it is now is very unforgiving as the whole window is surrounded by space that can cancle it, sometimes just the static of your fingers near the screen not actually touching the screen will cancle the window.So my suggestion is a window that is top to bottom and the side so the only space to cancle it is to purposly touch the lyrics screen, i would even go as far to create a 1cm safe buffer towards the lyrics screen.

peter

@Damir When writing the documentation, I have realised that track mutes are really missing, just like you already wrote me. Just turning down the volume will mess up your volume balance and it also makes sense to quickly mute things during a performance.

So I will push another release candidate shortly with this feature added and all other fixes since the weekend.

Documentation is going on nicely. I think I'm about 50% finished with it. Release next week is quite likely.

peter

New build 6979

Another release candidate due to the new track mute function for multitrack files and some more bug fixes.

Added

Each Track can now be muted in the multitrack configuration view

Changed

Track equalizer shows the track name in the title
Autoplay indicator uses different colors when engaged through playlist or individual autoplay setting

Fixed

Crash opening routing setup when no audio output can be found
It is not possible to autoplay into a multitrack song

DickyDutch

Hi Peter whilst playing a multitrack song, if you open Multi track Set up (from the Lyrics view) then say mute a track (or several tracks) then go to edit equaliser, when you then return back to Multitrack Set up the tracks previously muted start playing yet they still show as being muted.

peter

DickyDutch Hi Peter whilst playing a multitrack song, if you open Multi track Set up (from the Lyrics view) then say mute a track (or several tracks) then go to edit equaliser, when you then return back to Multitrack Set up the tracks previously muted start playing yet they still show as being muted.

I can reproduce it and will fix it. Seems like making sure solo is off when exiting the eq screen removes the track mutes.

Damir I like the visual difference of grey arrows for all and blue for individual but blue clashes with blue and the most important song is the now playing song perhaps a diferent colour would be better like Red family.

You wrote that this arrow should be the same color as the autoplay button which uses the tint color that you choose in settings. Actually I like the fact that both elements have the same color. So why not just set another tint color in the settings?

Damir Suggestion why cant we have the same auto play button switch displayed in the tap to close window

You can already use the swipe left gesture and toggle autoplay for a single song.

Damir at the minimum a track number on the buttons intead would be more beneficial than a suck egg ON OFF yep we get that the button is dimmed and yep the button is on cause it glows but what actual track are we muting i dont know i will have to count from left to right

There is very limited space available for the buttons in the lyrics view. So you would prefer to just show the track number instead of --/on/m?

Damir Heres an ideal to fix a visual problem when loop playing a song.

You mentioned that request already and I have added it to my todo list. But not in 3.4.0.

Damir In multitrack eq master volume in each track has an adjustment issue when you get to -9db -10db area of the faders.

What do you mean? The slider moves fine for me through the whole range of -12 to +12.

Damir

Auto play feedback,
The colour change is a definite improvement,
I like the visual difference of grey arrows for all and blue for individual but blue clashes with blue and the most important song is the now playing song perhaps a diferent colour would be better like Red family.
The perfect logic is almost there, if now you can create, if auto play is enabled or disabled while playing a song, it is NOT remembered, this would be perfect as it wouldnt contaminate your playlist when making on the night last minute decisions but not wanting to change the already setup playlist that has been carefully and painstagengly pre programed .

Suggestion why cant we have the same auto play button switch displayed in the tap to close window it makes sense to have it there as well to be able to make choices while editing the set list, instead of having to always bring up the lyrics view, some people preffer to edit in that window as the full song names are displayed there so its easier to arrange your songs there and you have your settings and other features, its a great spot for setting up your setlist but you cant create single auto plays there it does not make sense.There is plenty of room next to Auto play all switch.

Damir

Easy Multitrack muting is a definite must it just makes multitrack more worth while.
Love it, it works
BUT,
at the minimum a track number on the buttons intead would be more beneficial than a suck egg ON OFF yep we get that the button is dimmed and yep the button is on cause it glows but what actual track are we muting i dont know i will have to count from left to right to figure it out WHILE SINGING AND PLAYING AN INSTRUMENT AND CHECKING OUT THE CHICK THATS BEEN EYEING ME OF FOR THE LAST HOUR , and even then i dont really know what i am muting cause i cant see all my tracks at a glance, which have two headings all in monotone colours to make it even harder to figure out.So i will just push buttons till i hear what is happening, thats ok at home but not on stage,
I am just pointing out what will go through my head when using this great feature which i assume you already know but just to make everyone aware incase.
Thats why this works better, the mutes are just next to the instruments name , click on the name to load the file swipe left to delete and rename and EQ again right next to the name of the instrument you are equing.

Well done Peter il buy you a beer when i see you one day in Germany if we ever get to travel again.

Damir

Heres an ideal to fix a visual problem when loop playing a song.
There is absolutely no problem with the operation of it so please dont touch that as it works very well the way it is, its just a visual thing, so please dont introduce another unnecessary loop function to complicate things and make the interface less user friendly.
The idea is to just visually identify to what you have just created, and its very simple to create and would work on stage perfectly.
At the moment while a song is playing i can foot control to my next song and it turn yellow, but if i happen to want to replay the now playing song and scroll to it nothing changes it is still blue and i have no visual feedback ,
What would be visually practical and logical is the colour of this song line to turn left half blue ang right half yellow, this makes sence as the order is from left to right meaning when this song finishes the same song will be cued and either stop and wait or start immediately depending on Auto play setting,
This than makes it very practical on stage,
very rarely would you need permanent loop yet it would be easy enough to foot step to select it again if needed.
This already works as is it just needs the visuals to go with it, here is an example.
This to be applied on every screen.
This also eliminates an unintentional next setting dissapearing from view,there is no place for it to hide.
Cheers Damir

Damir

In multitrack eq master volume in each track has an adjustment issue when you get to -9db -10db area of the faders.

Damir

peter This happens when i slide through using a ipad pencil which is very accurate and it happens in the same spot on all 6 volume faders of the eq , its when you hit -9.9db to -10.2 db range you should notice corrupted garbled images that are slightly faded.

Damir

Auto play logic is improving but still not there.
Talking about PLAYLIST MODE only.
Dual color definitely works to identify ALL & SINGLE auto play modes but the way they interact with eachother and how the autoplay button highlights is out of wack.
I did explain before but will explain again as its the only logic that will work for us on stage.

Lets say we have 10 songs in a playlist and we have programed 1,3,5,7,9 to single autoplay, their arrows are highlighted in blue, then we hit play, this works perfectly right now.
But the evening requires change of operation on the run which i find to be the case every gig.
Say you mostly want autoplay but might need to cancle some autoplays in songs on the run.You turn on Auto play All switch.
Now you have 2,4,6,8,10 arrows in grey and the others in blue this is fine as no matter what you will get all to autoplay.
As you play no 1 song with blue arrow auto play button is highlighted and plays through to the 2nd song which is grey arrow you will notice the autoplay button highlight dissapears and yet you still have an autoplay grey arrow as its still active from the autoplay All selection.This is absolutely wrong.
My expectation on stage is if the autoplay blue or grey arrow is showing the autoplay button should be still highlighted warning you that you are in autoplay, and i expect to be able to temporarely turn the autoplay off on this song even though both grey and blue arrow selections are residing there. As the song is playing and this is a temporary request only, it should override the other two reguests.

As song 2 ends and cues up the next unplayed song no 3 it simultanuosly restores song 2 back to its previous arrow settings as this was a temporary change in play mode.
This means you create on the run but do not corrupt your playlist, unless you make changes when in stop mode, this then is permenantly remembered.
And the prime logic of single autoplay button is that it allways highlights correctly to what is going on and it changes the state of Autoplay for that song.

At the moment you have it working ok when in stop mode you can create all scenarios and visually it seems ok.
But as soon as you hit play it shows its weakness.

My thoughts on Autoplay button logic.

1 Two modes of logic PLAY OR STOP
WHEN IN PLAY It does not remember settings, they are temporary settings for now playing song

WHEN IN STOP It remembers all settings for the next gig

2 AUTO PLAY ALL ENABLED
When
IN STOP and single autoplay active as well,

Autoplay button changes the state to both SINGLE and ALL arrow selection this is REMEMBERED for SINGLE selections and it REMEMBERS the AUTOPLAY ALL switch setting.

When
IN PLAY and single autoplay active as well.

Autoplay button changes the state to both SINGLE and ALL selection arrows this is TEMPORARY TO BOTH as the song is playing and this requirement is a once off , preventing playlist contamination and easily creating the needs of the gig on the night .
It operates on both single and all selections if present.

3 AUTO PLAY ALL DISABLED
When
IN PLAY ,

Autoplay button changes the state of the SINGLE arrow selection this is NOT REMEMBERED.

When
IN STOP ,

Autoplay button changes the state of the SINGLE arrow selection this is REMEMBERED.

What i mean by changing the state is, if its on it turns it off if its off it turn it on, and the Autoplay button HIGHLIGHT AND SWITCHING allways responds in sync with the songs arrows..

peter

Damir Now you have 2,4,6,8,10 arrows in grey and the others in blue this is fine as no matter what you will get all to autoplay.
As you play no 1 song with blue arrow auto play button is highlighted and plays through to the 2nd song which is grey arrow you will notice the autoplay button highlight dissapears and yet you still have an autoplay grey arrow as its still active from the autoplay All selection.This is absolutely wrong.

No this is not. The button corresponds to the autoplay state set for the song. That is independent of the autoplay state of the playlist. Also if you activate autoplay for a playlist you can't exclude certain songs from autoplay. If you want to do that use the song based autoplay.

peter

Damir As i only use playlist with lyrics i still believe if a song is enabled for autoplay no matter which method the autoplay button should be highlighed to correspond.

I understand, but I'm hesitant to change this logic because the way this works has not been changed since version 3.0 and I don't want to change something users are used to. Simple rule: Use playlist autoplay setting only when you want to enable autoplay for the whole playlist as is described in the manual. In all other cases stick to song based autoplay.

Damir This happens when i slide through using a ipad pencil which is very accurate and it happens in the same spot on all 6 volume faders of the eq , its when you hit -9.9db to -10.2 db range you should notice corrupted garbled images that are slightly faded.

I don't have a pencil and I really can't reproduce it with my finger. But I'm not sure I move the correct slider because there are no 6 volume sliders on the eq page. Only 4 gain sliders. Anyway I also tried it on the multitrack page with track volumes and I don't see anything special.

Damir

Ahha i forgot there are colour choices for buttons and yes there is a brighter blue available that works better, easy on the eyes yet stands out more than the darker blue.
Well designed,
As i only use playlist with lyrics i still believe if a song is enabled for autoplay no matter which method the autoplay button should be highlighed to correspond.

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