Open Beta Version 3.4.0

Damir

Ahha i forgot there are colour choices for buttons and yes there is a brighter blue available that works better, easy on the eyes yet stands out more than the darker blue.
Well designed,
As i only use playlist with lyrics i still believe if a song is enabled for autoplay no matter which method the autoplay button should be highlighed to correspond.

peter

Damir As i only use playlist with lyrics i still believe if a song is enabled for autoplay no matter which method the autoplay button should be highlighed to correspond.

I understand, but I'm hesitant to change this logic because the way this works has not been changed since version 3.0 and I don't want to change something users are used to. Simple rule: Use playlist autoplay setting only when you want to enable autoplay for the whole playlist as is described in the manual. In all other cases stick to song based autoplay.

Damir This happens when i slide through using a ipad pencil which is very accurate and it happens in the same spot on all 6 volume faders of the eq , its when you hit -9.9db to -10.2 db range you should notice corrupted garbled images that are slightly faded.

I don't have a pencil and I really can't reproduce it with my finger. But I'm not sure I move the correct slider because there are no 6 volume sliders on the eq page. Only 4 gain sliders. Anyway I also tried it on the multitrack page with track volumes and I don't see anything special.

Damir

peter sorry Peter its multitrack setup the six master volume track faders -9.9 to -10.2

Damir

When i mentioned looping i wasnt talking about looping as such for a change, i was pointing out a problem where NEXT song dissapears if you select the now playing song and a simple solution to that nuecence, is have that song switch colour to blue on left yellow on right this gets rid of all confusion to what is about to happen, simple yet fixes a heart stopping problem.
Especially if you accidentally foot pedal up and the next song dissapears and you cant instantly work out where you are, oops just aged another day and i havent got that many days to go.

peter

Damir I really don't see anything special between -9.9 and -10.2. I can dial in -10.0 and -10.1 without problems. Anyway, as most users will not use a pencil, I think I can live with this glitch.

Damir

peter check this out

peter

Well, I can't do anything about it anyway as the slider is a system component. I guess users of the pencil will have to live with this.

Damir

peter no problem, it does do it with the finger as well.

Damir

peter

Damir On the iPhone in portrait mode there is not enough space for it. I think the swipe command is sufficient.

Damir

peter On the iPhone in portrait mode there is not enough space for it. I think the swipe command is sufficient.
I dont believe this is the best choice, i think this Autoplay all button space is better used by the Autoplay single button.
Reason
If you need All its a once off choice very quick to do once, its a lot easier to swap screens once to engage this function on the other screen.
But when you want to enter random single autoplays on that screen that hasnt got that function you need to swap screens hundreds of times depending on your playlist size and your Autoplay reguirement.
At the moment It is innoficient and unnecessary.
By swapping this Autoplay All button with the single Autoplay button you increase the workflow speed greatly no matter what the user needs.

Damir

Observation, in Song Detail function
The swipe down to shut the window gesture in open windows is a nuecence especially where you have a window that reguires swipeing to get to all its content.
What this gesture is doing is fighting with you as you operate it needs to be removed from these windows operation to streamline a smooth and uniterrupted work flow.
I have found it turns off your now playing song as you swipe back to the top, if you swipe down too much it shuts the window down unintentionally.
Yet we have two other methods of closeing DONE and TOUCH outside the screen.
It would be good if possible to disable this unnecessary function and make it perform in a consistent way like Multitrack edit and EQ drop down windows.

Damir

Hi Peter, i have found in certain instances you dont really know what files you are dealing with because the information is hidden.

In the photoes i have shifted the multitrack writing to where i think works much better as this section of screen is allways visible , but i dont know if its doable due to apple restrictions.

Damir

Hi Peter, i managed to crash the program a number of times as i was trying to reload multitracks,
The reason i went to do that was that one multitrack song that was working all of a sudden came up with a message that my song files could not be found,
After cancleing all six mesages i went in to track 1 to load it again and the tracks were there but as i tried to reload them the warning came up again the files could not be found, after a number of attempts in all tracks i went directly to the folder of the files and they were still there, i then went back to reload them again the same message, so then i deleted the existing track which did show it had a file but it was not playing and the messages of cant find the file.
After i deleted all tracks and reloaded them it all worked fine.
So i dont know why all the multitrack files were unrecognizeable in the first place out of the blue.
And i dont know why they all seemed to be loaded and named correctly but werent recognizeable
And i dont know why i could not reload them even though they were there to be reloaded.

Damir

Suggestion and feedback

I really dont understand why we have to manually keep updating our changes to our folder system surely as soon as there is any change an update should be automatic.
I know it takes time to update a big folder freshly installed and thats understandable we can live with that, but wouldnt it make sense any small changes like a song or two added it should be a quick and automatic thing.
This way we dont have to think about things we dont need to know so we can get on with the main job.
At least make it obvious and handy by giving us an in your face method of doing this hidden task which definitely will leave you scratching your head if you dont do it.

Damir

Hi Peter, i have just loaded another multi track song folder and discovered a big problem by now you are probabbly aware of it.
The songs files get duplicated in the multitrack folder.
This is not acceptable as you will end up with multiple, Snares, kick drums, click tracks, basses.
All in the one area creating a humangous mess.
You need to have a solid structure like a family tree
System and one way to do things forcing the user to do things the way ST3 demands .
This smartly done creates order and ease.

My thoughts

First main ST3 folder
Named
Stage Traxx 3 - this is the master folder and should only contain 3 other folders and 2 Files ,
Stereo Songs - folder
Multitrack Songs - folder
Lyrics - folder
Full Backup - file
Database Backup - file
This main folder does not accept anything in to it unless it meets its cryteria.
Example if its a PDF it will allow you to copy and paste only in to the PDF folder no other options are available this same logic to apply to all oter files or folders.
If you had a PDF in a folder and attempted to load it, ST3 would reject it because firstly it would assume it was a multitrack song file and because it contains a PDF and not an audio file it would not be allowed.
If you selected 50 PDFs and dragged them on the ST3 main follder i would make it so it immediately opens the PDF folder and allows you to drop them.
No mucking about.
Same with .wav files or all audio formats that ST3 can play.

Foldder 1
Named
Stereo songs - this is what the original folder was only stereo songs, and it only accepts the apropriate audio file formas Wav, mp3 etc that ST3 can play.if you delete these files they automatically are removed from the ST3 interface as well.
If you paste an apropriate file in to this folder it automatically is available in the ST3 interface SONG mode.No need to manually update anything its all automatic.
This logic to work on all other files and folders.

Folder 2
Named
Multitrack songs - this folder only accepts other folders that contain audio files wav.mp3 etc. this folder wont load any folders that contain files it does not use by the multitrack if there is a text file or a jpg or any other file format present it rejects it and not allow you to load it.This then forces the user to make sure they keep their folders clean and appropriate.

Folder 3
Named
Lyrics - this folder only loads PDFs nothing else.It wont allow you to contaminate it with anything else.

File 4
Named
Full Backup - this is the complete backup file. It resiides in the main ST3 folder, only one can exist in this folder, if you make a complete backup again it overwrites this file after a prompt, you can not create multiple backups here but you can copy this file and take it elswhere to use.
You can delete this file and have no full backup at all, to save space.If you copy another Full Backup and paste it in to this folder it automatically overwrites this backup after a prompt and sets up the interface automatically.
This makes sure you are minimiseing the use of disk space.

File 5
Named
Database Backup - This file is the Database only backup.It resides in the main ST3 folder, only one can reside in this folder, if you make another backup it overwrites the existing one after a prompt. Loading another Database file overwrites the existing one after a prompt.This makes sure you are minimiseing disk space.

Now you have some workable structure.

When you complete your files on DAWs or text editors, the hand over to ST3 is very straight forward.
Loading files in to ST3 should be simple , if i choose a PDF and it gives me a choice to load to ST3 ,
When ST3 folder opens it should instantly be selecting the Lyrics folder within the ST3 main folder, because thats the only place this file is acceptable.

If i have chosen a folder with audio files within it, when ST3 main folder is opened it should immediately select the multitrack folder to paste to as it is assuming this is a multitrack song as it is a folder but it should not allow the load to complete if it detects a foreign file, this forces the users to stay tidy and does not contaminate ST3 with rubbish.

If i have chosen an audio file only, when ST3 folder is opened as a choice to load to it, the automatic selection should be Stereo Song folder because it is not a folder, it is not a PDF, it is not a foreign file format, yes it is an audio file i use so go ahead and load.

If a backup file is being dragged in to ST3 main folder it should open the main folder only as thats where the backup files reside, if its dropped it will either prompt to overwrite an existing backup and activate the new load to comlete the new setup
Or if there is no file present it will just paste and prompt to go ahead and reset ST3.

As i mentioned before,
Once we have easily loaded the material in to ST3 and neatly placed everything in to the appropriate places.
We should not be naming anything from here on all the naming has been done in our other programs when we exported the material.

As soon as material is loaded in to any folders i expect the interface to be automatically in sync with these folders.
So now if i go to SONG hit +.
choose create multitrack song
i expect to be presented with all the song folders within the multitrack folder , these song folders dont expand they are there as a choice to select only.
When a folder is selected it automatically creates a multitrack song name using the folders name which is the actual song name and presents an option to auto load the first six files in respective order in to the 6 tracks. If i dont select load all it will simply name my new multitrack song and point to this folder when manually loading files, the folder i have just chosen has named my song automatically and is letting me manually load all the files in to tracks without searching for folders.
This logic also eliminates manually renaming things twice.

If a file is removed from this folder it automatically updates the interface and makes that track empty, allowing you to load another file from this folder as first choice but allowing you to go and search for a new file if this file is chosen then it is also copied to this folder..

If i load more files to a multitrack song folder they immediately become an extra available option within that multitrack song.

If i copy and paste a file in to a folder that contains the same file name i get a prompt to overwrite the old file if yes the new file is immediately used by the track it was in.No need for unloading or loading because the file names were identical.
So what i want is the logic to be is what you see is what you get,
And i want it now not after a number of button pushes.Unnecessary steps to be eliminated.

The files would automatically update in the interface and the interface would automatically update the files.

Simple non crowded main folder would present the backups with ease not having to search through numerous files to get to them.

Anyway this is how i would aproach the handling of data from one software to another and how i expect good software to work.

Now is this achievable with the tools you have is a different matter

But if you only use one idea out of this wishlist its been worth it.

Damir

SONG MODE - PLAYLIST MODE EDIT button LOGIC?
Hi peter i am confused by this EDIT function button in these two windows.
This explains my confusion earlier on when i was trying to change the colour of songs in the playlist.
Firstly i believe that SONG MODE is the correct way to have this function.
When you enter playlist and loose the lyrics screen you are immediately presented with the edit functions at the bottom now this is wrong , if you enter Song mode and drop the lyrics window you will not see any edit functions at the bottom this is correct, then when you press the edit button the edit window at the bottom appears, this is correct.

The second issue i have with the playlist edit window is it does not give you the exact same features like in song mode, that is very iconsistant and the edit features that you get in playlist on the left side the red round circles with a minus are a suck egg feature as the swipe left to get Delete and rename is the normal option.
Now what i really dont like is the fact i could really use those red circles to be selectable clear circles just like in song mode so i can choose my songs and change colours of my songs in just the playlist, this is most important.

Basically put can you make the playlist edit feature more like the Song window edit.
I know there is a slight difference where you can rearange files in playlist where you cant in song mode but can you place selection circles in playlist edit mode instead of the unnecessary red selection circles which do nothing for you.
This maintains consinstancy and gives you ability to colur code your playlists songs easily.
, Cheers Damir

peter

As I already wrote, Stage Traxx does not support folders. Neither for normal songs nor for multitrack songs. Don't create folders in the Stage Traxx area!

Regarding the crash: I see the crash log but I have no idea what is causing this. Your description is kind of vague. Do you have a way to reproduce the problem?

I'm not going to comment on anything else, I'm sorry. Once again: there will be no more changes in this version except bug fixes!!! Posting one suggestion after the other will not make me implement them in this version. Heck at this point I don't even have any energy left sorting through that stuff and making notes. So please, no more change requests, only bugs!

Damir

peter sorry Peter i can only immagine the pressure your under with the multitrack addition, so as i said before just ignore things you dont think are valuable or impossible but by throwing ideas around sometimes great things can happen.
I am not pushing for anything i am just putting ideas out there from the end user point of view.
I know you are limited to what you can do but i dont know those limitations and am pushing for a better end result for all of us.
I will ease off on suggestions.

Now, i didnt realize you cant use folders for multitrack songs, so how do you manage the naming of your song name and the individual audio tracks used for that song.
Does this mean every track in the DAW has to be named with the songs name first then the actual instrument
example
Love me tender bass
Love me tender drums
Love me tender backing Vocals
Love me tender Click Track
And so on
All these files reside in the Multitrack folder
And when loaded in to the Multitracks will show with this name, i have songs with pretty long names.
I cant see this working well.
Am i looking at it the wrong way
Can you simply explain the method of lableing files and how you intend this to work

Cheers Damir

peter

I managed to reproduce the crash. It happens when you rename or move at least two tracks in a multitrack song and then replace one track with the renamed file. The app crashes because there is still another track missing. Will be fixed in the release version.

General advice: Whenever you rename or move a file within the Stage Traxx directory you will break something!!! So don't do it! If you do it anyway I try to make sure the app does not crash, but you will break your songs.

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