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peter I agree

peter Ok I think you don’t get what I am saying so I will give you a more thorough explanation.

I use the first line for my intro chord structure and at the same time the change of colour as a visual prompt that the foot pedal has successfully started the song.

On start my eyes are focused on the first line to get my chords but I don’t play until the chords change colour meaning my foot pedal has worked.All this is instantaneous and great for those Big Bang song starts.
By having the colour change of the chords happening at the same time as I hit start is an immediate reassurance I am away and I also see my chords without having to shift my eyes to double check the start button, I have had on number of occasions false started the song as my foot is slightly out of position but having that immediate visual feedback helps if the chords don’t change colour it ain’t gonna happen, this is all a very quick thing that happens in the brain, and I am so use to this because ST2 worked perfectly I have been forced to do a work around on every song I have previously used on ST2 and all new songs when programming them to compensate for ST3 .
It’s only the initial loading of song that I don’t want [00:00:00] to highlight the first line in Auto line sync mode until the start command the rest is fine.
A lot of my songs are instant start, I don’t need false logic at the start to confuse me.
Why can’t ST3 do what ST2 did so well?

        peter The switch is the blue button with the caption "search".

        Aha i didnt hit search as the song was immediately found by typing in the search box,i didnt realise the hit search gives you the results and removes the keyboard, i thought i had to manually lower the keyboard like on ipad.
        All good, its just a pitty we get such a large search strip and we only really need a few words to be typed in and yet the other features hog up the very important screen space i wish apple would give more flexability to create better software.

          @"Damir"#p4755Hi Peter, I have just joined my iphone to my host ipad and noticed that the actual slave operates exactly how i expect with first line highlight, when the song gets loaded the iphone slave does not highlight the first line untill i hit play , yet the host ipad does, thats interesting.

            USING HOSTS Feedback
            I love this feature as my daughter is a singer and i have a number of singer friends that sometimes appear at the venue i might be performing in, its easy for them to join their iphones to my ipad and presto can join in.
            But i have some issues with the way the slaves being a smaller screen dont seem to work well.
            The Text size on the ipad becomes too big for iphones and yet there is no compensation for this my average text size on ipad is 40 to 50 but his size does not transfer well to iphones, i wish there was a control on the client settings to be able to compensate for that.
            Now what happens is you shrink the lyrics on the iphone manually for each song that plays because the size reduction of now playing song gets reset by the next song, I wish that this command to reset the font was never there that way whatever size font you choose on the slave it stays that way so you can tweake it once and from then on it just stays in that setting relationship for all other songs from the ipad.
            I also find it irritating that tweaking the font size on the ipad does nothingto the slave unless you leave the song and come back.
            The way i would have it is if you tweak the host text size the slaves also react immediately, but if you resize the slaves text size it maintains that relationship with the host, that way you set it once and everything just works with no more tweaking required.

              I might have found another one.
              I cant destinguish between the two identical messages, if i dont select anything and press the two different buttons the messages i get makes me think both of those function buttons do the same thing.

                Damir I understand what you do but I truly think that the current way is correct. If you have lyrics highlighted at 00:10.00 you want them to be displayed when the playback position is at 00:10.00 or later. And you want this when playback is stopped or playback is running because it makes seeking very easy if you see the highlights changing while you move your finger over the waveform. And this is what changed in the current version. Before the highlighting just stayed static whenever you pressed stop. Even if you moved the playback position to somewhere else, which is purely wrong. So version 3.4 corrected this. And I don't understand why there should be an exception to this rule for timestamp 00:00.00. The solution is simply to change this timestamp to 00:00.01. You won't notice the 10ms delay in highlighting, but the logic will stay sane.

                Now, I understand if you say that you would need to make lots of changes to your songs. So I can offer you to make this change for you. I have tools that allow me to do that in 1 or 2 minutes for all your songs. Just send me a database only backup file.

                The only possible solution for this would be a setting that would only apply highlighting during playback and never when playback is stopped. Not even during seek.

                Damir I have just joined my iphone to my host ipad and noticed that the actual slave operates exactly how i expect with first line highlight, when the song gets loaded the iphone slave does not highlight the first line untill i hit play , yet the host ipad does, thats interesting.

                This is a bug in my opinion. It should behave the same as the host. I will fix this.

                Damir The way i would have it is if you tweak the host text size the slaves also react immediately, but if you resize the slaves text size it maintains that relationship with the host, that way you set it once and everything just works with no more tweaking required.

                The host only sends information about the current song when you select it. Text changes are also not sent. And in your case send text size changes would break the custom text size on the connected clients. So no, I don't want to do that. Just use iPads as slaves, iPhone displays are too small anyway.

                Damir cant destinguish between the two identical messages, if i dont select anything and press the two different buttons the messages i get makes me think both of those function buttons do the same thing.

                That's definitely the wrong message for the keyword button. Will fix it.

                        What format should the multitrack audio files be? My DAW is Digital Performer 9.5.2 (unsure of the actual version number).

                          I understand what you do but I truly think that the current way is correct. If you have lyrics highlighted at 00:10.00 you want them to be displayed when the playback position is at 00:10.00 or later. And you want this when playback is stopped or playback is running because it makes seeking very easy if you see the highlights changing while you move your finger over the waveform.

                          I dont disagree with you i just dont want my first line auto highlighted when i am performing on stage.

                          I can see where you are coming from, its the seeking you are focusing on while preping your show and because it is a new addition its your main focus right now while i am focused on the on stage need.

                          I think i have just come up with a great solution for both!

                          What if you could do this,
                          The key is Waveform seek during playback switch is what determines of how the first line highlighting performs.

                          If you have this on it means you are editing and you have it perform the way you think is important,
                          If you turn it off to be safe on stage you have it perform the way ST2 had it where it does not highlight the first line untill start gets hit,
                          plus there is a bonus free feature acheved here,
                          and that is if you forget to turn off the waveform seek while you are performing you would be warned by the fact your first lines of songs would allwas be highlighted prompting you to then turn off the dangerous waveform seek while performing.
                          What do you think, is it doable?
                          As i said i do like the seek feature and i use it now a lot, but i would hate to forget to turn it off while performing then accidentaly touching the end of the song while trying to enter song properties as it is dangerously close.

                          And this is what changed in the current version. Before the highlighting just stayed static whenever you pressed stop.
                          Even if you moved the playback position to somewhere else, which is purely wrong. So version 3.4 corrected this.
                          Yes i do like this.

                          And I don't understand why there should be an exception to this rule for timestamp 00:00.00. The solution is simply to change this timestamp to 00:00.01. You won't notice the 10ms delay in highlighting, but the logic will stay sane.

                          No thats not a solution its a work around i foud which i never use to have to do.
                          And am not happy about but its so important to me on srage that i am unhapilly willing to do it to make ST3 behave on stage the way ST2 did.

                            The host only sends information about the current song when you select it. Text changes are also not sent. And in your case send text size changes would break the custom text size on the connected clients. So no, I don't want to do that. Just use iPads as slaves, iPhone displays are too small anyway.

                            As i pointed out a lot of people will use a combination of devices on stage to suit their needs, a drummer has enough crap around him so he might prefer a small iphone instead so he can easily position it,as he might be singing backing lyrics he needs to see or he might want to know the next song chosen as he is the star in the intro, ipad would end up with a cracked screen in the first 5 minutes of performance.
                            The needs are endless, but the compatability of the two devices are not great from text size compatibility point of view.

                            At least can there be a choice to switch the sizeing reminder to the slave disabled in the host allowing the slave user to permanently set the size of text on the device, that would avoid oversized text on smaller devices and make the combination of devices more compatible.
                            Or any other solution that works.

                            I personally have a mirrror image of ST3 on my iphone for a number of reasons.
                            1
                            a full backup in case my ipad shits itself or dissapears
                            2
                            Ipone is with me at all times i can perform whenever, wherever.
                            3
                            Surprise guests want to perform with me i got it covered i just set up my god help me trusty iphone 11 max which cost me $2500 has 512gig twice the ipad capacity and tripple the money i expect to get some use out of this succer.

                              SHOW LOCAL LYRICS? What is it and what does it do for me?

                              Show your own lyrics

                              It is possible to show your own lyrics while connected as a client to a network session. To do so, make sure to enable the setting Show Local Lyrics. If your library contains a song the host has selected, your own lyrics will be displayed. Song matching is done by searching for the song by title and artist in your library. So please make sure that both tags match those of the host.

                              You can also use this feature to send your custom MIDI messages when the song is playing.

                              Well i still dont know how to test this cause i dont know what it does and how it does it.
                              I do know it has something to do with my lyrics, but i already have my lyrics and they are showing so i turn it off but my lyrics are still showing, i turn it back on and my lyrics are still showing with no change to anything , does it have to do anything with midi, i am confused and i hope i am not missing out on a great feature that Im not aware of.
                              Help needed!

                                SoloGuy What format should the multitrack audio files be? My DAW is Digital Performer 9.5.2 (unsure of the actual version number).

                                You can use all audio formats that Stage Traxx can load. I would recommend to create stereo stems of your instruments. Just make sure they all have the same sample rate. Whether you use wav, mp3, aif or maybe even flac is up to you.

                                Damir What if you could do this,
                                The key is Waveform seek during playback switch is what determines of how the first line highlighting performs.

                                I don't think this fits together with this setting. But I will create a separate setting and then you can decide for yourself how it should behave. Maybe a setting named "Highlight lyrics when stopped" is the correct way to do it.

                                Damir The needs are endless, but the compatability of the two devices are not great from text size compatibility point of view.

                                OK, I do already have a text size modifier for external screen support. I can add a new modifier for the network clients. If you have an iPhone you can set it to 0.5x for example and all text sizes sent by the host will be displayed with half size.

                                Damir SHOW LOCAL LYRICS? What is it and what does it do for me?

                                Only needed if clients have different lyrics for a song. Say a drummer does not need lyrics but only couple of notes. So he has his own lyrics containing only his notes. If he enables this setting, the network client will not display lyrics from the host but the custom notes of the drummer.

                                          Only needed if clients have different lyrics for a song. Say a drummer does not need lyrics but only couple of notes. So he has his own lyrics containing only his notes. If he enables this setting, the network client will not display lyrics from the host but the custom notes of the drummer.

                                          Ok lets see if i got this, the client creates a lyrics song that has the same name tag but different lyrics or notes in his song folder, so when this setings switch is enabled in the host and the host plays this song the lyrics that get shown on the client are replaced by the clients same named song. I assume the auto scroll that might have been in the host song no longer operates the clients screen anymore.
                                          Wow its a very speciffic operation , i will try and give it a go just to see if i can find anything that might not be working, but i dont see myself using this, but you never know its amazing how you can come up with different ways of using this software.
                                          One thing i will say it really needs a better description in the manual so it clearly exposes its purpose and the way to set it up especially midi was mentioned and that needs clarification cause it really did confuse me even more.
                                          I was a full on midi user years ago but have simplified everything to an ipad, Amazing!

                                            peter OK, I do already have a text size modifier for external screen support. I can add a new modifier for the network clients. If you have an iPhone you can set it to 0.5x for example and all text sizes sent by the host will be displayed with half size.

                                            Great, whatever is simpler just so there is a method to not have to keep readjusting text size every song, so whatever is shown in host screen fits in the iphone screen at all times without any retweaking.
                                            Cheers Damir

                                                Damir Ok lets see if i got this, the client creates a lyrics song that has the same name tag but different lyrics or notes in his song folder, so when this setings switch is enabled in the host and the host plays this song the lyrics that get shown on the client are replaced by the clients same named song. I assume the auto scroll that might have been in the host song no longer operates the clients screen anymore.

                                                No, not on the host. That does not make any sense. You need to enable it on the client. Each client can choose whether to show lyrics from the host or their own. And that means that they would also use their own scrolling settings.

                                                  Damir Great, whatever is simpler just so there is a method to not have to keep readjusting text size every song, so whatever is shown in host screen fits in the iphone screen at all times without any retweaking.

                                                  I don't think a logic like that would work. If the client sizes all lyrics down so that they fit on the screen without scrolling, the text would be too small to read.

                                                    I don't think this fits together with this setting. But I will create a separate setting and then you can decide for yourself how it should behave. Maybe a setting named "Highlight lyrics when stopped" is the correct way to do it.

                                                    I thought my idea was perfect as no extra switches were needed, its the state of the existing waveform switch that determines which logic is used so if its off it means you are not using the sweep function and the first line is not highlighted, but if you turn on waveform scroll the logic goes back to acomodate that and it just works without anyone needing to do anything.Plus as i said before it acts as a warning that if you get on stage and you cue your first song if the first line is immediately highlighted you will know you have forgotten to turn off the waveform scroll, a win, win, win with nothing extra to tweak.
                                                    Now how to achieve this i have no clue.
                                                    Or perhaps someone else has a better solution.

                                                    @"peter"#p4774Ok i didnt explain properly again,
                                                    Ok say i have a 10.5 inch ipad host an iphone and a 12.5 inch ipad pro.
                                                    Say all my lyrics are set to 40 , a method to offset this setting so if i hook up to a 12.5 inch ipad i can change the offset say to 50 as it has more screen realestate, or if i have an iphone i can set the offset to 30 so it fits the lyrics to suit the smaller realestate, i might change the client devices to landscape or potrait but by having this offset adjustment it would allow a once off tweak and all is perfect for ever more for that session.
                                                    Perhaps this adjustment is needed to be done on the clients so each client can suit themselves depending on the device they have.
                                                    At the momemt there is no control, what you get is what you get, and you dont want to tweak your host to suit the client because the clients screens are different.
                                                    So perhaps a scroll wheel where 0 is normal and going up by -ve ? Amount it shrinks the lyrics by that set amount for all lyrics and by going + ve ? Amount it Increases the offset size.

                                                    This then would work in any combination, say you had the iphone as the host , you just increase the offset text to suit on the client Ipads 9.5 10.5 12.5.
                                                    I believe It makes a lot of sense and is something the more people that start using ST3 will want to do as they realise the softwares huge user potential like i have.

                                                      Damir OK, I will think about something but not for version 3.4.0.

                                                        Hi Peter, here in Adelaide we are in a Covid lockdown for 7 days so watchout, you might get bombarded with problems hopefully tiny ones.

                                                        I might have reported this already but jus in case here it is again

                                                        Yes you mentioned that a couple of pages up. On my devices it only happens on the "Songs" tab. Queue, History and Playlists are fine. It seems to be related to the alphabetical section headers. In any case it will be fixed in the next beta version on sunday.