Host & Join Session issue

Damir

The disconnection between the devices happens every 30 seconds 🧐
Why is my song of the same name playing without sound on my slave and keeps playing when the connection is lost, the lyrics keep scroling yet there is no connection to the host ?
Its like the host triggers play of the same song name in the slave and scrolls the lyrics using the slaves lyrics and uses the sync of the host untill it looses connection 30 seconds later every time and continues with its own song till the end displaying lyrics yet no sound is present on output.
Also why am i able to play a song on the slave and hear it yet i have joined the host and want to be controlled by the host, in this mode there should be no capability to play on the slave till the slave is released from the host? This to me is another issue, possibly an oversight.
When i join to a host i expect the host to fully take over and only allow local lyrics to show on slave if there are any present of the identical name, if not then its the hosts lyrics that should be shown.
If i turn off show local lyrics then its only the hosts lyrics that will show and i will loose any play control on the slave untill the slave is diconnected.
At the moment there are funny things happening but whats most important is to have a rock solid connection, but i am finding there is an issue with this where every 30 seconds my slave gets disconnected for some unknown reason, this is a bug.

Damir

Interesting find, i tried to swap host to slave between 3 devices on the same wifi connection.
Ipad pro
Ipad 9th gen
Iphone 11 pro max

Only One combination worked properly, if i used my ipad 9th gen as host to my ipad pro as a slave i could walk around the huge ABC first floor and the connection was solid.
All other combinations i get the same message i already posted after 30 seconds.
If i used iphone as host to ipad pro still a problem to my ipad 9th gen again a problem , ipad pro as a host did not work to any of the other two, the only sucess was ipad 9th gen to ipad pro but still it was failing to keep connection to iphone after 30 seconds,
So something is FT up with the Apple system and ST3.
Life was not meant to be easy 😰

Damir

I dont have any trouble wirelesly transferring large data files between all my devices so it cant be a signal strength issue as i would always have trouble with transfers so it must be a programming issue of how the devices talkto each other when using ST3. 🤔 could it be a permissions thing im 😰

TonyHS

I have been having the same problem.
I understand the idea of both using the same network. However, can anyone recommend a network router for use at a gig. Does it need a sim card to connect to the internet?

Lishy

TonyHS you just use it as a LAN.

TonyHS

Lishy Thank you. I will have to see if my mate's IPad can be a hotspot, if not I will get a cheap mobile router.

Damir

peter Good News!
I just updated all my devices to the new 17.5 operating system and the Host session connection problem went away, it must have been one of the fixes apple has done,
Now I can host from any device to other devices and no disconnection occurs even if I walk down the street as my router has lots of power, now this is what I expected how it should work.
It will be interesting to see it on stage without a router but I believe it will be fine as the distances are very minimal on stage.
So a note to everyone experiencing regular disconnections of host/slave update to OS 17.5.
Thanks guys
There are still some issues I am finding when using host even with a good connection.
If I setup my host and my slaves I expect if I shut down my host ST3 and then fire it up again it should automatically reconnect to the slaves if I have chosen a device to be the host or a slave , in other words if I have all devices setup on the router and no wifi connection was broken but I have shut down the ST3 on any device I expect when I open ST3 again the slave to host setting should be automatically established as nothing has changed now we have to go to settings and reconnect, I expect for this to be , if I don’t want a connection I go to settings and disconnect this connection manually or I completely disconnect from the main router and my next gig I have to create the new setup , but as long as I stay on that router my settings will automatically establish themselves if I exit ST3 and come back as the router still has all devices connected and I expect ST3 to assume I am still on stage and want to establish my host and slaves , unless I go to settings and change these settings.
When I go home everything goes back to the way it is now everything is disconnected and ready for next gig preferences to be set.

Now we have to repeat ourselves regularly if we disconnect for any reason it’s an unnecessary pain.

peter

TonyHS Creating a hotspot on an iPad is the same as setting up an Adhoc network. It will be unstable in a live situation. There is no way around a dedicated router. I use an old Airport Express on 5GHz and never have any connectivity problems.

Damir

peter i agree with you, if i was using host with a band most definitely , but i do solo work with occasional unexpected need to setup a host / slave i found in the earlier versions of software and operating system this was stable enough on a small stage , but lately as i wanted this it was not working at all due to the automatic disconnection every 30 secconds as i was thoroughly investigating this problem apple provided a new update which now has fixed this unusual problem so now my next gig tomorrow i will setup a slave again and give it another try to see if it works as expected without a router.
Thanks again

TonyHS

peter Thank you, I will order the mobile hotspot device now. Thanks again for all the help.

Bbachorz

You seem to now need anoutbound internet connection for it to work. A closed network of devices via a stage router will time out. It is as if it is trying to reach back home but cant and fails disconnecting the session.
A fix we found was to use a MI-FI network so all devices can get to the internet. Once we switched over it has been working but a pain in the ass cause cellular is sometimes spotty.

peter

Bbachorz You seem to now need anoutbound internet connection for it to work.

No, I never run internet on gigs. I think what Damir found out is that instability can occur when the devices run different versions of iOS. That's a very valuable information I did not know. But it actually makes sense as the so called "multipeer connectivity" framework that Stage Traxx uses to communicate between devices is deeply embedded in iOS and MacOS.

ArtRothafel For those of you performing live with other wireless connections... are you running a dedicated router specifically for ST3 and then another router for digital mixers, FOH and IEMs? Or is everything connecting via a single router and LAN network?

I always bring my own wifi network (Airport Express) and run everything through that network.

Damir

Last night gig I tested the updated software without a router and had not one issue it appeared rock solid all night using my iPad Pro as host and iPad 9th gen as slave this prior to the latest OS did not work at all NOW IT WORKS 👍😍 let’s hope it stays that way.

ArtRothafel

Damir I had the same issue going from my MacBook Pro to an iPad (no dedicated router). Just a host (MacBook) and one slave (iPad) but it did the same thing you experienced. Dropped the signal to the slave but the song kept scrolling on the slave despite the dropped connection. I don't think the OS on the iPad is up-to-date so I'll give it a try. To Peter's point, it seems a dedicated router is the fail-safe.

For those of you performing live with other wireless connections... are you running a dedicated router specifically for ST3 and then another router for digital mixers, FOH and IEMs? Or is everything connecting via a single router and LAN network?

Damir

ArtRothafel It should all work with single router, but logically you are playing it safer if you have seperate routers it depends how you feel dragging more equipment around.

Lishy

ArtRothafel I have 1 router for both ST3 and mixer

Mikemyday

ArtRothafel
Hi. We are using one Router. MacBook Pro is Host and 4 iPads as Hosts
Behringer X32 via LAN Cable on the Router.

All devices are logged in to the Router via WLAN
We had the same issues as Damian with lost connections from different iPads.
I toled my colleagues to install the new Update to 17.6.1 actual.

We will see if it works stable on Friday ( GIG)

I backup solution is to connect an Monitor via HDMI Cable to the MacBook and mirror the screen
so if the connection to the iPads will fail our singers can see the MacBook Screen .

Greets Michael

StevenSteve

peter I am new to Stage Traxx. Loving it. We did have this issue the other day the first time we tried it!!

Just to be clear, you are using an AirPort Express (or any router) with no external internet connectivity and connecting devices to it via wifi and then that local network is stable and can host Stage Traxx sessions?

musicadi

peter This happens to me too. I had no issues for a long time, and I started getting this recently, as soon as I got an iPad Pro, so it might be related to this. I never had this problem with iPad Air 2, for example.

Or, it could be related to iOS 17, since I think I started getting these errors as soon as I updated the slave device. Now I have two iPad Pro 10.5, both on iOS 17.5.1, and it disconnects every few minutes. It’s really frustrating 🙁

musicadi

Damir didn’t you update to iOS 17 recently? I suspect the issue is there. I never had these before, but I think it started happening as soon as one of the devices (iPad 6) was updated to iOS 17. I changed it to an iPad Pro 10.5, because I thought something was wrong with the device (it wasn’t being recognized by my Mac), but I still get disconnected every few minutes, sometimes even after a few seconds.

peter

Yes, just checked again with the latest iOS17.6.1 and ST3 version 3.8.19. Host and client connected to a dedicated router without internet connection. Hosting session is stable. The test today was with a MikroTik hap ac lite router I had lying around as I was too lazy to fetch the Airport Express from the cellar. In my opinion the router does not matter as the issue lies in the Adhoc networking code in iOS. So as long as there is no Adhoc network involved, you should be fine.