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  • Open Beta Version 3.7.0

Damir I did a whole bunch of programming to prepare for worship tomorrow, then saved as a full back up. Tried to restore this backup in the beta version - it failed giving the following error message:

Unresolved error Zip.ZipError.unzipFail, [:]

I tried the whole process 4 times, tried altering the name of the backup file, quitting and relaunching ST3 in between - all failed to restore producing the same error. I simply could NOT restore form any of the backup files I created.

If I had to do this this on a Sunday morning, it would have been a catastrophic failure! It's like the universe was giving me a perfect scenario to present to you. I'm sure it's a only a problem with the beta software, but it demonstrates the risks of having a solitary method of recovery

      I still can’t get the iCloud sync to work properly. I don’t understand when to press the Sync button and refresh the song list. If I restore a backup to one of the devices, it should sync to all the other devices right? Doesn’t work…

        amorph I know that horrible feeling , that’s why I always have few backup systems, my IMac and it’s backup system , an iPad my main player on stage, and an iPhone that travels with me always as a performance backup, lately I have also installed ST3 on my wife’s iPad as a just in case backup so I can grab that if my iPad fails last minute before I leave for a gig, so far I have not needed to use any backups, but being an electronic technician as my first job I know how easily things can go pair shape.
        I understand your concearns but make sure you have all the latest updates on your devices and the ST3 software, and just see how things are once iCloud sync is introduced.
        I have created full backup on ST3 then transferred to Beta without a problem but Beta still has minor issues when using multitrack files with iCloud so I would wait till it’s all ironed out before using Beta for live performing.
        Good luck with the gig.
        Cheers Damir

            amorph Tried to restore this backup in the beta version - it failed giving the following error message:

            Unresolved error Zip.ZipError.unzipFail, [:]

            The backup file seems to be damaged. Either this happened when you copied it to your device or maybe it happened during creation of the backup. Try to recreate it. Btw, this is not a beta issue as nothing was changes in version 3.7 in this area.

            JohnnySolo I still can’t get the iCloud sync to work properly. I don’t understand when to press the Sync button and refresh the song list. If I restore a backup to one of the devices, it should sync to all the other devices right? Doesn’t work…

            I need your logfiles to help: Open settings and select "Create Support Email"

                  Think I may have stumbled across a bug. When a midi command is put in ‘playback ends’ it is activated when the play button is pressed and not when when the song ends….

                    Lishy Not for me. It is sent exactly when playback stops (after a fade out for example). Make sure have not assigned the same command to the stop trigger in settings or in your lyrics.

                      peter Hi Peter, it was not a single backup that was faulty. I tried creating 5 different backups using ST3.6.10. I could not open any of them from the beta 3.7 (8751).

                      I am using an 2023 M2 MacBook Pro (1tb/ 32gb RAM) running macOS 13.2.1 (22D68)

                          Damir Thanks Damir, I completely agree. I have redundant copies of everything...40 TB of drives on my desktop and redundant copies off site, etc.

                          I do not plan to use the iCloud feature with ST3. I don't want to reliant on internet access for performances. I mirror my laptop to an M.2 drive in my equipment rack, so that I can boot from that in an emergency. I have all my sound libraries on a 2nd M.2 drive in the rack as well.

                          You are blessed to be able to afford and carry all of those additional devices with you. Seems like a very expensive work around. I am very concerned about the multiple failures I experienced trying to create/restore from a full backup. This bottleneck for data recovery seems like a significant design flaw IMHO.

                              amorph Can you open a database only backup in the beta? The backup file is basically just a zip. So if you rename the file ending to .zip can you extract the file in Finder?

                              amorph I do not plan to use the iCloud feature with ST3. I don't want to reliant on internet access for performances.

                              iCloud sync fully works offline. It will remember what you do and sync those changes to the cloud once your are online again.

                                    amorph You are blessed to be able to afford and carry all of those additional devices with you. Seems like a very expensive work around. I am very concerned about the multiple failures I experienced trying to create/restore from a full backup. This bottleneck for data recovery seems like a significant design flaw IMHO.

                                    I actually only take my IPad and my iPhone as backup on all my gigs a compact Yamaha 4000watt Pa consists of 2 twelve inch 1000w 2 way boxes and 2 twelve subs 1000w each that also act as speaker stands and a Yamaha little 10 ch mixer that has usb connectivity but I use only analog outs as it has professional cannons on outputs , very simple and affordable but kicks ass for most my gigs , some gigs I don’t need the pa as it’s provided so I just use my Yamaha mixer to a large console . I always like to control my own sound on stage and off stage with another engineer just overlooking my sound for the front house if I have a bigger gig and an engineer is available.
                                    The ICloud is great to have in prep work as you can work at home on an iMac or outside your home on any device and anywhere around the world and keep everything in sync without effort, but I agree with you I also don’t rely on it for live performing , you need to have a solid backup system in place incase you don’t have internet connection , you never should fully rely on clouds cause they are always airyfairy 😂

                                        Damir Yes, I use iCloud and know its features well. I use iCloud to share data across 4 computers an iphone and ipad so I have to manage my shared data. I DO use it to share data between my performance apps (Gig Performer, L6 Helix, various controller backups, MIDI Pipe, Virtual Instrument patches, preferences, manuals...etc) all of which are small files.

                                        In my experience, iCloud struggles syncing larger files like audio and video - which, I have read, is why Apple excludes those folders from iCloud sync. Moreover, I never want to be at a gig using some third party WiFi or trying to use my phone as a hotspot to download a file that failed to sync properly. Especially since iCloud does not provide tools to initiate or control syncing functions in any way. I see it's value if one's performance repertoire is relatively static, but I have a new set with new songs every single week. In the past I tried to use software that needed to access Wifi to authorize the app or plugin and found reliance on quality internet access at a gigs to be unreliable. Maybe if I could just download one or two missing audio files...but trying to download multiple audio files bundled in a single, large back up zip? No thanks. I carry my fail safe redundancies with me on flash media. It's a great idea, but it's just not for me at this time.

                                            amorph Maybe if I could just download one or two missing audio files...but trying to download multiple audio files bundled in a single, large back up zip? No thanks.

                                            If you prefer this way of working you could just work with small database only backups and copy the files in the Stage Traxx 3 folder manually. That is certainly a valid approach if you prefer that.

                                              New beta build 8759

                                              Thanks to @JohnnySolo I was able to pinpoint a nasty bug during file uploads. Therefore I decided to publish another release candidate with the fix and a couple of other last minute changes. I hope this is the final release candidate. If no new nasty bugs are found, I will submit the final version on Thursday to Apple.

                                              Added

                                              • The character ` at the beginning of a lyrics line will format the whole line as a chord line no matter what content the line has

                                              Changed

                                              • Renamed the sync button and moved it into a new table cell
                                              • Colored lyrics are now also highlighted like regular lyrics
                                              • In app purchases are automatically restored when the app is started for the first time

                                              Fixed

                                              • File upload bug that caused unnecessary retries and slowed down file uploads
                                              • Song duration not recalculated when replacing a track with a shorter track

                                                peter

                                                Update:
                                                • Per your instructions, I changed the filename to zip and the files extracted successfully.
                                                • Successfully restored from T3.6.10 database only backup in beta 3.7 (8751)
                                                • Once that was done, I went back to the file that would not open before and was able to successfully restore from backup in beta 3.7 (8751).

                                                Very strange behavior

                                                    peter ong duration not recalculated when replacing a track with a shorter track

                                                    How do you "replacing a track with a (different) track"?

                                                        amorph Very strange behavior

                                                        Sorry, I have no explanation for this.

                                                        amorph How do you "replacing a track with a (different) track"?

                                                        I guess you got me there 😉. Looking at the code in the multitrack song settings, I already have everything setup to also replace regular song files. Even the logic what to do in case that file is used by some other song is there. So how it works is:

                                                        • If you replace a file with the same file in the same folder, nothing will happen
                                                        • If you replace it with the same filename from another folder, it will overwrite the existing file (this will affect all other songs that use this file)
                                                        • If you replace it with a file with a new filename, it will delete the original file if no other song is using it

                                                        I guess I could add that as a last minute change to 3.7

                                                              peter

                                                              peter Added

                                                              The character ` at the beginning of a lyrics line will format the whole line as a chord line no matter what content the line has

                                                              Could you provide an example of this?

                                                                  Sure. Without timestamps:

                                                                  `Dm7 | G7 | Cmaj7 | % (Repeat 2x)

                                                                  Or with timestamps:

                                                                  [00:01.00]`Dm7 | G7 | Cmaj7 | % (Repeat 2x)

                                                                    peter where are you getting that symbol from as can’t see on the keypad/keyboard

                                                                      Hold down the ' key until you see the popup and then select it.