Open Beta Version 3.6.0

Creating a loop , as already pointed out is very hard if not impossible to create an accurate loop.
Other Logic suggestions.
Once you create a loop as it pops up it should be highlighted in the first colour of the chart and should play from beginning to end and loop again without any interaction from user.

The loop switch in each loop point should have no affect how the editor player functions, the editor player should always play in a loop so you can select your loop points.

There is a fault where if you select new loop points the player doesn't update till you stop and start the player again this is very important.

Zooming in when long pressing is nowhere near accurate enough for accurate loop creation,
The audio scrubbing replay and visual display is too coarse and inaccurate to be useful, its a great idea and I've used it on other software but its too rough in ST3, i like the concept but it needs tweaking.
My suggestion if possible is similar to Ants, the grab and drag to get a rough loop is fine but instead of a long press and zoom, i would tap on the loop and it opens up a more accurate editor that looks at the in and out points only zoomed in enough so you can precisely shift these points and the loop point would concentrate on the first and last 10 seconds of the loop point so when you open this window you immediately hear the last 10 seconds of the loop then it plays the first 10 seconds of the loop and it keeps playing this in a loop of its own so you can accurately shift the two zoomed in points for precise editing once you are happy with it hit stop exits to the normal edit window choose a new loop hit play touch the same loop opens the precise zoomed it editor again.

At the moment you would spend hours to create usable loops and still not be possibly happy.

Some other feedback
Next + loop creation chooses the next colour and so on.
The colours should be visible in the editor.
The colours should be more different from each other.

At the moment if you enter the audio editor that contains loops all you get is the whole song without any loop selection and a play button, this seems pointless, at least the first loop should be already selected for you so you can see your other options and that then encourages you to touch another loop point and so on, you entered this section to edit loops not to play the whole song. Your loop points should be all highlighted in the colour you chose.
If you have engaged the loop switch on a loop making this as a default the editor loop section should have the same loop icon appear on all loops that have been engaged for this just like in play mode, this than makes it obvious what selections you have chosen for default looping without having to highlight every loop in the editor.

Ok for now i will give it a rest i have managed to crash the software a number of times and have sent the report back to Peter.

I think once this looping feature is ironed out it will work well on stage, could i use it now?
No unfortunately its biggest problem is its loop creation speed and accuracy.

Hello and thank you for this work on ST3. Regarding the looper it is very difficult and very long to find the right loop setting on Ipad, unfortunately impossible to test on my Imac which is no longer very young ... I think it would be easier to spot the cue points when zooming by seeing the red playback bar. As far as I'm concerned, it's impossible to loop correctly with a finger on the iPad, on the other hand with a mouse it's much more practical. To be continued.... Thank you again .Sam (Paris/ France )

Sorry but on my iPad and using my finger I have found it impossible to create a perfect loop! I’m addition when in the loop editor I’ve found that in the portrait mode the option to delete a loop and the start and end points do no show. If I rotate iPad to the portrait mode the blow up view of the loop does not work when holding down finger.

Damir
Single touch selects the loop to be next.
Single touch again on this section cancels this request in case you changed your mind.
Long press on a section puts it in permanent loop.
Long press again on the same section cancels this request.
Peter
Any other opinions on this? My take is that if you want to exit a looping region you need to deactivate the loop and I don't want to have to keep my finger pressed on the screen to trigger this action during a performance. Therefore I made it the other way around (short tap for loop and long tap for selection). Another reason: loop triggering will be needed more often then selecting the next region.

Damir
I see your point and its fine for some.
But the way i am suggesting the operation is to make it very easy to jump around the song not so much to loop a section, i find i normally want to jump to the end of song to finish it earlier or perhaps the crowd got in to the song towards its end so i want to jump back to perhaps the solo or first verse again, now its a lot easier to just touch the section quickly to create my need than to long press.
Here is a suggestion that might work for both, what if you single tap to select another section that is not playing selects it to be the next played loop but if you are already in a playing loop and you single tap on it , it turns on the permanent loop feature you can stay on this till the cows come home but if you single tap it again it cancels the looping and plays on or you could have single hit another loop which would end the last loop and jump to the new one.
This means there is no long press involved the user can easily engage looping on the existing playing section using single tap and a third single tap clears everything but a single tap on any other non playing section places that as the next to play section.
I think that would please everyone and maintain easy work flow.
People that have programmed a permanent loop point on some sections are also happy because when this section is reached and played a single tap clears the permanent loop or a single tap on any other section that is not playing sets that to be the next to play.
HOWS THAT! Pow wow simplez!

Peter while I'm running hot, here is a suggestion, when you load a song to play that has a loop from the beginning of song it is immediately highlighted as the section thats going to play.
But if you single tap another loop section while not playing then you hit start this loop point beginning starts to play instead of the actual songs beginning.
This allows the user to go straight in to a verse or chorus by choosing the appropriate section, it maximises the use of the looping feature.

MasterAnt thanks for the thorough explanation Ant , I don’t really use a lot of playlists to justify this function so I will ignore it, my playlists are actually gig lists, and I reuse a lot of them with slight tweaks to save time, all of my 333 songs reside in all my playlists, I just recreate the first 50 song order to suit the gig and have different function gigs in different playlists, whenever I do a new song I just add it to all my playlists.
The idea is I don’t have to change to another playlist or song mode to find a song and up/down on foot pedal does the rest but most of the time my song order of 50 songs does fine.
Occasionally I need a song in the playlist quickly, found using my hands on the iPad to go to Song and search tap on the song and I’m away again, the only issue I had was when I go back to playlist this selected song did not appear in the middle of list but I believe Peter got it working again the way it use to be so I’m a happy Chappy. I can’t wait to start using the looping features, I could have used it last gig just as a song was finishing everybody got on the dance floor I wished I could have gone back to first verse again but no the song finished and of course the next song was not as appropriate hopefully that problem will go away soon.
Thanks again Damir

Hi Peter regarding fine tuning the start and end points of a loop on an iPad do you think if the ‘begin’ and ‘end’ points shown in the selected region box were made to be editable this would be an advantage ?

Hi Peter I don’t whether the following will help or not. There is an app I use called Twisted Wave Recorder which is great for wave editing - you may already have it yourself. One of its key features is looping, albeit only a single loop - I currently find it useful for rehearsing e.g solos. However the way a loop is created so simple and effective. It may be an idea to have a look at it for ideas. By the way I have managed to set up a couple of songs with loops with beta but really struggled. I must say that using a foot pedal to switch on/off the loops works superbly. A great feature - can’t wait to use it live! Well done and congratulations on what you have achieved so far.

DickyDutch Hi Dicky, yes i use Twisted Wave for editing on iPad and its another superb software in par with ST3 for audio editing , the two go really well together if you don't want to involve a desk top computer.And yes i can also confirm the foot pedal control of looping seems to work really well i like how it only takes up two switches to give us exactly what we want , i also cant wait to try it live.

Peter, you are the man! I just tested out the 2-page view on my Mac and it works just like I would expect it to! I rearranged my PDFs so that the optional tab pages appear at the end of the document instead of the front, and because all my chord sheets are a maximum of 2 pages for the portion that I actually use in the performance itself, this fits the bill and also still allows me to see the 3rd and 4th pages of optional tabs. I also just discovered the lyrics only song option which I'm definitely going to use heavily as I have lots of songs I play throughout a set that have no backing music. Superb! Definitely get my thumbs up approval on that feature and I'll look forward to its full release I'll try and test it on my iPad tomorrow too.

peter
1) Open audio file - pic 1
2) Tap screen to select nominal position as required - pic 2
3) Expand view of audio file if required using pinch gesture- pic 3
4) Drag and drop right and/or left hand cursor lines to select loop start and end - pic 4
5) Turn on loop Green arrowed loop at bottom of screen
6) Audtion loop by pressing play adjusting start and end points if required

I don't find selecting the general region in ST3b to be an issue. The only issue is getting to the EXACT points.

Anytune does it well with a fine-tune +- button for A, B, and the entire loop:

Auditioning the loop is the most important feature needed. Have a play button that only plays from just before the loop end and through the loop. You could tap play to play normally, and hold play to audition loop.

peter One of the key differences is that when you enlarge or expand the view of the wave form it stays that way making easier to select the more precise start and end points.

MasterAnt Yes I totally agree and can see how easy this would work without trying it, as you can hear the loop point and at the same time tweak the in and out points, this I like a lot, this as the fine tune and the other as the coarse tweak would work perfectly.
I must checkout Anytune.
Thanks Ant
Damir