Peter while I'm running hot, here is a suggestion, when you load a song to play that has a loop from the beginning of song it is immediately highlighted as the section thats going to play.
But if you single tap another loop section while not playing then you hit start this loop point beginning starts to play instead of the actual songs beginning.
This allows the user to go straight in to a verse or chorus by choosing the appropriate section, it maximises the use of the looping feature.
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MasterAnt thanks for the thorough explanation Ant , I don’t really use a lot of playlists to justify this function so I will ignore it, my playlists are actually gig lists, and I reuse a lot of them with slight tweaks to save time, all of my 333 songs reside in all my playlists, I just recreate the first 50 song order to suit the gig and have different function gigs in different playlists, whenever I do a new song I just add it to all my playlists.
The idea is I don’t have to change to another playlist or song mode to find a song and up/down on foot pedal does the rest but most of the time my song order of 50 songs does fine.
Occasionally I need a song in the playlist quickly, found using my hands on the iPad to go to Song and search tap on the song and I’m away again, the only issue I had was when I go back to playlist this selected song did not appear in the middle of list but I believe Peter got it working again the way it use to be so I’m a happy Chappy. I can’t wait to start using the looping features, I could have used it last gig just as a song was finishing everybody got on the dance floor I wished I could have gone back to first verse again but no the song finished and of course the next song was not as appropriate 
hopefully that problem will go away soon.
Thanks again Damir
Hi Peter regarding fine tuning the start and end points of a loop on an iPad do you think if the ‘begin’ and ‘end’ points shown in the selected region box were made to be editable this would be an advantage ?
Thanks a lot for the feedback so far.
So my bottom take is: There are some small adjustments needed to make the audio region feature work during performance. But setup of audio regions is too complicated. So I will first try to improve the easier to solve problems when performing (like @Damir suggestion to always use a simple click which should behave differently depending on whether that region is playing or not, I like that idea and will try it) and improve overall stability. There have been a number of crashes reported. Thanks for that.
After that I need to concentrate on improving the audio region setup. I don't want to add another view and don't think there is really a need for a split view feature like in sample editors. I guess I will have to get a grab on my mathematical skills and try to get beat detection working. That's in my opinion the best approach. If the app could detect beats, all region markers could automatically snap to the next beat which would help much more than the proposed split view. But I really suck at higher mathematics so no idea if I can pull that off.
Hi Peter I don’t whether the following will help or not. There is an app I use called Twisted Wave Recorder which is great for wave editing - you may already have it yourself. One of its key features is looping, albeit only a single loop - I currently find it useful for rehearsing e.g solos. However the way a loop is created so simple and effective. It may be an idea to have a look at it for ideas. By the way I have managed to set up a couple of songs with loops with beta but really struggled. I must say that using a foot pedal to switch on/off the loops works superbly. A great feature - can’t wait to use it live! Well done and congratulations on what you have achieved so far.
DickyDutch you got a point there Dicky, these figures appear to be pointless as theres no reference on the waveform, my thought is, even if you could edit them i would never use them as i don't ever use this type of adjustments anywhere else where it exists as its to slow and annoying a graphical editor that works is the only way i want to edit the loop points.
Id rather see the delete button present in all views which is more required than loop point numbers that don't mean much to me as they cant be used for anything fast.
Cheers Damir
DickyDutch Hi Dicky, yes i use Twisted Wave for editing on iPad and its another superb software in par with ST3 for audio editing , the two go really well together if you don't want to involve a desk top computer.And yes i can also confirm the foot pedal control of looping seems to work really well i like how it only takes up two switches to give us exactly what we want , i also cant wait to try it live.
Peter, you are the man! I just tested out the 2-page view on my Mac and it works just like I would expect it to! I rearranged my PDFs so that the optional tab pages appear at the end of the document instead of the front, and because all my chord sheets are a maximum of 2 pages for the portion that I actually use in the performance itself, this fits the bill and also still allows me to see the 3rd and 4th pages of optional tabs. I also just discovered the lyrics only song option which I'm definitely going to use heavily as I have lots of songs I play throughout a set that have no backing music. Superb! Definitely get my thumbs up approval on that feature and I'll look forward to its full release 
I'll try and test it on my iPad tomorrow too.
DickyDutch There is an app I use called Twisted Wave Recorder which is great for wave editing - you may already have it yourself. One of its key features is looping
Can you explain how that works in that app? They don't have a demo version and I'm not sure I want to buy an app just to see how a single feature works.
peter
1) Open audio file - pic 1
2) Tap screen to select nominal position as required - pic 2
3) Expand view of audio file if required using pinch gesture- pic 3
4) Drag and drop right and/or left hand cursor lines to select loop start and end - pic 4
5) Turn on loop Green arrowed loop at bottom of screen
6) Audtion loop by pressing play adjusting start and end points if required
Hm, but that's basically the same workflow as in ST3. So why is this so much simpler to use?
I don't find selecting the general region in ST3b to be an issue. The only issue is getting to the EXACT points.
Anytune does it well with a fine-tune +- button for A, B, and the entire loop:
Auditioning the loop is the most important feature needed. Have a play button that only plays from just before the loop end and through the loop. You could tap play to play normally, and hold play to audition loop.
peter One of the key differences is that when you enlarge or expand the view of the wave form it stays that way making easier to select the more precise start and end points.
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peter as Dicky said ST3 is not precise enough and audio scrubbing is not accurate enough to get precision , we need continual play of the looping point and very accurate repositioning of the two points, so we can easily hear it, tweak it to a much finer degree, having sharp edges helps and visual accuracy is very important.
Having some sort of beat detection would greatly help to get us to the rough loop point but then a fine tune system that allows you to fine adjust around that beat point is also needed,
ST3 at the moment is way too rough in adjusting the in and out points and has no helpful aid to finalise a good/perfect outcome.
The other issue is having to listen to the whole loop point to hear an edit is BAD, if you have a long loop it becomes hard work.
MasterAnt Yes I totally agree and can see how easy this would work without trying it, as you can hear the loop point and at the same time tweak the in and out points, this I like a lot, this as the fine tune and the other as the coarse tweak would work perfectly.
I must checkout Anytune.
Thanks Ant
Damir
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Hi Peter, while playing around on my stomp 6 foot pedal on my iMac, I found another operational issue, if you only create say 2 loops 1 as into 2 as first verse, once you are in a non loop playing area after the verse you can not get back to any loop again as the song will play to end, this is very limiting, here’s one suggestion and perhaps others can come up with better ones,
If you end up using my suggestion of single touch everywhere but it depends on where you are in a song how loop and selection of next loop works, this might work out well and still using only two foot switches.
Using the loop switch to go to a newly selected loop selection, imagine,
You hit start you pass intro loop and the verse loop now you are heading for ending the loop selection switch is still active as you can choose any of the two loops but you have no start switch to get to that selected loop, but your other permanent loop switch is non active as you are not in any loop, so this then becomes your start the selected loop switch, this is only the case when you are in a non loop area of a song.
This allows you to get back to your loops in a song even when you aren’t in a looping area, while maximising the use of the two foot switches, once you are in a loop you only need to select another loop and the permanent loop switch acts as normal it puts this area in to permanent loop or switches the loop off in this area.
Another suggestion is if you are in a loop area and you choose this to be the next to play area again, you should have an arrow pop up on this area pointing back to start of that loop, meaning this area will play to end start again and then the arrow disappears meaning unless you select this area again or choose permanent loop it will play through as normal.
This than clearly states what’s going to happen.
So you basically have a permanent loop sign and a repeat arrow sign pop up depending on what the user has chosen if a permanent loop was chosen and it’s sign pops up but if you only want to repeat this section once you select that section the permanent loop sign changes to an arrow sign and cancels the permanent loop it plays this section once again and continues as normal.
I think if the logic is worked out perfectly to maximise the use of the two foot switches it will work very well.
At the moment it’s to easy to put loops everywhere and it’s not friendly at all to jump around a song, the foot pedals are some what easier than the actual interface.
I hope this makes sense if not perhaps I can explain further.
Cheers Damir
MasterAnt Ah, the +/- buttons to fine tune are a good idea. I could add them to the time display at the bottom. And I can also add a loop preview button. That makes absolutely sense.
DickyDutch Maybe I can make the zommed view stay. The problem is that with all the gestures in that view it is not possible to scroll a zoomed view (the pan gesture is already used to position the play cursor). Maybe something like a double tap on the left or right marker to zoom in and another double tap to zoom out might work.
Damir Not sure I understand your suggestion as it seems quite complicated but there is a technical reason that you can only jump to a region from another region boundary and that is something I can not work around with the current audio engine. The engine is only able to schedule regions as a whole and it is not possible to adhoc abort the playback of a region and jump to another. No way to do that without writing a completely new audio engine that could adjust to your actions in realtime.
The only solution for you is to add an audio region to every song section. That way you can jump to other sections at the end of each section.
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Found a few problems.using ipad with latest operating system.
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when you play a song right through that has loops in it the old problem of the song not finishing at the end is happening the song timer keeps running on and no ending command happens meaning it does not select the next song i believe we had the same issue a while back if i play a song without loops it works fine.
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When you close the program then return the exact same view is not presented as expected, yes you end up with the playlist but your lyrics window isn't there, i was expecting an exact same view of where i left the software.
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If you are in playlist view with lyrics window open, then you press the home button then you press it again to open ST3b again you will notice very briefly on top of your playlist an extra line quickly appears then disappears that gives you the name of the playlist you are in, now this might be intentional as to remind you which playlist you are in then it closes to give you more songs space, i don't mind that but it needs to stay on screen a bit longer so we get to notice it then it can disappear, perhaps 5 seconds or so would be handy.
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I had a number of crashes of ST3b happen on my iPhone 11 max pro 512gb latest OS where the program just shuts down i have sent report i hope you got it.
I will try to explain a bit better regarding foot pedal operation of looping idea in another post.
Cheers Damir
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Controlling Looping using foot pedal.
The way it is now works in a way that it does not maximise the looping idea to its full potential for on stage use.
Why?
It can only select another loop and play it if it has more loops and once you have passed the last loop you can not use your loops again, the song must end, this is very limiting specially if you only have a few loops and your loops happen to be in the beginning of the song.
To use the looping feature more successfully at the moment you virtually have to have a loop at the end so you can jump back to beginning, this is not ideal, we need a system to be able to choose a loop but then play it from when a section of the music is not in a loop part of a song.
This was the reason i mentioned before if a song knew its beat points perhaps it could be made so it leaves the now playing section on the beat and joins on to a loop selection in rhythmic timing , having this capability would then allow us to go to any loop point from anywhere in the song that we choose.
Selecting loops works fine but if you have one or two loop points is pointless if you cant get to them once they play through.
I imagined a more user capable looping system apart from just looping continually of a point in a song you are in, thats ok but it doesn't give you a lot of freedom to manipulate your song on the run.
Using two switches you should be able to manoeuvre anywhere in the song as long as the song is playing and even when it gets paused, heres an example you got the crowd singing and you pause the song while they are really getting in to it you move to another loop point like solo as you are done adlibbing you unpause and go straight to the solo, this then makes the looping powerful
The second permanent looping button is only used on the now playing loop, it enables/disables this loop, once you are not on a loop point it does nothing, this is a waste, I would use this button to become a return to selected loop and play button, in other words when you are not on a loop this unused button can be used to get you back on any selected loop.
But if you are already on a loop you make this button be a permanent loop selector as it is not needed as the other option because you are already on a loop and you have your selector button to jump to another loop if you want.
So selector button is always a selector button, but the loop button changes modes of operation depending on if its on a loop section or just in a normal song section.
The other thing i was trying to point out was when you step through loop points and you choose the same loop point you are on this means you are going to play this section once more why not place an arrow pointing to beginning of loop to indicate to whats going to happen within this loop, so when the end is reached and the beginning starts again you then make the arrow disappear indicating no more playing of this loop is going to happen and it will play through to next selection, if you happen to change your mind and go to select another loop point this arrow disappears as it no longer will play that loop, but you still have the permanent loop option available and if you choose that then the appropriate sign appears, if you then return to this loop again and select it the permanent loop disappears and arrow appears again meaning you will play through this loop then go to beginning again once then play through.
This logic gives you lots of choices yet keeps it simple , you virtually need one foot switch that gives you lots of power , to move around a song or loop the now playing section again once only or as many as you choose without needing another switch, permanent looping is not all that useful it just locks you in to a section which you eventually have to get out from , it is handy for short loops, but the selection switch is more useful for longer loops like verses and choruses as you have time to scroll through and select the same section to repeat it, but as i said an arrow to indicate whats happening would be visually useful.
Cheers Damir
Copying one song from iMac that has looping created, to replace the same song on iPad which has no looping.
I managed to create an .stsa file on Imac which contains my song i air dropped it to my Ipad, but i cant seem to import it to ST3b to replace the same song without the loops.
What am i doing wrong?
To point out
On Ipad i noticed i can directly Air Drop from the export menu but on the Imac i only get a folder choice with no Air Drop option, this seems inconsistent.
Cheers Damir