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peter Advance Queue is definitely off and still the fader is stuck on Queue volume only.
So i dont know what else it could be.

Yes Dopy here has not read the label to the end, Waveform seek DURING ### PLAYBACK.

Its amazing what you have done so far with the limitations of the operating system you have to work with.

I cant wait for this version and all the little improvements .

I am testing the multitrack and have loaded existing files to the tracks, what will happen if i delete this multitrack song will my old ST3 files get deleted.
How are files treated when you create a multitrack, using existing files or importing new files to tracks.

How can i clear an imported track making it empty again?
Will i be able to quickly mute a track on the run?

      Damir Advance Queue is definitely off and still the fader is stuck on Queue volume only.
      So i dont know what else it could be.

      Then you need to have a song loaded from a playlist. Because if you load a song from the song list, it has no playlist assigned and therefore the app does not know which playlist volume to set so it defaults to the Queue volume.

      So here are the rules:

      1) Advanced Queue Mode needs to be off
      2) You need to select a song in playlist not in the song list

      Damir How are files treated when you create a multitrack, using existing files or importing new files to tracks.

      Multitrack files are written into new folder Multitrack-Files. So if you use an existing song as track, the audio file is copied into the Multitrack folder. This means you can delete the Track (and file) without affecting your original song outside of the Multitrack folder.

      Damir How can i clear an imported track making it empty again?

      As always! Swipe to the left and select "Delete". This is consistent in all iOS apps. If you want to delete something, swipe to the left.

      Damir Will i be able to quickly mute a track on the run?

      Either turn down the track volume, or disable a certain track in the settings for all multitrack songs.

                peter phew thank god it was the fact i was playing songs fom Song folder, thankfully that explains that, i thought it crashed, its something i did know but totaly forgot as soon as you mentioned it it hit me i am so glad it wasnt a fault.
                Im having a bad day thank god this is the last day of lockup.
                Good to know i can freely delete multitrack songs and not loose the originals loaded from existing song folder.I assume when i import multi tracks i need to save them in to the multi track folder or they will duplicate otherwise.

                And ofcourse swipe left to delete daaaa, thats it im going to bed i am useless today.

                  peter I see. So essentially, the audio tracks would be individual files. Makes me think that a “container file” that would include all of the individual tracks might come in handy here just to keep the songs organized but I don’t know if there is a standard for that already in existence. Would one just load a folder named with the song’s name containing all the tracks?

                      There are backing tracks sellers out there that actually sell multi track backing tracks, i have purchased once from a seller that had an option for single track and multi track but i only bought the single track so i dont know how iwould have received the multi if it was a single file that just loads in to a daw as a track 1 to 6 automatically with a song name and each track with its corresponding insrument.
                      This is something i will look in to, i was going to ask you about, because at the moment you will end up with a hell of a lot of files like Love me tender - Drums etc basically 6 times more files with huge names that dont really work for you in the software.
                      I would like to see just one name in the multi track song and then individual names of instruments seperate.
                      My other thought was the multi track feature is too hidden in the menus it is not showing its power.
                      What i expected when i play a multi track was at least an easy way to mute tracks as the song is playing and this configuration to be remembered for each individual song, i know you have a master section burried well in the setup but thats the problem it works across all songs this is is fine for some that plan way ahead but most users just want to load a file and play it then perhaps turn this and that on or off and then tweak the pan and eq and a final volume mix and thats it for that song, while still having instant mute capability while performing.
                      At the moment you have a menu that brings down each tracks controls this is great and i like it to a point.
                      What i would expect first is six selection buttons with the name of each instrument next to it so i can identify what is active and what is not there i make my choice of what is actually going to play for that song this then determines which tracks will show below and gets rid of the tracks that arent playing , less to scroll through, Named TR1 - Drums - Main output.
                      Then EQ this i would name TR1-Drums-EQ, this is where the SOLO button belongs, and undo/redu function.

                      Bandwith is defined in octaves - get rid of it it is something that can be read in the instruction manual if people want to know and most dont they just want to easily tweak with what they got, this is valuable realestate and needs to be efficient less to scroll through.

                      What im trying to say is that multitrack should be easy to create and use so most normal users might consider it because it gives them a lot of power on stage, if at the end of the day you play a multitrack with exactly the same as 2 track than whats the point perhaps a slight quality difference depends if you know what you are doing, and most musos that would love this software dont have a lot of technical knowhow.The likes of us that are testing this are very few we are very lucky to have you do this for us but there is a huge market out there that would also benefit greatly but they need simplicity and ease of use this is where it gets hard to progam something that is simple yet very powerfull.
                      I have musician friends that a fantastic musicians but not so good with technology i am a versatile musician singer not briliant at any instrument but can play a number of them i can sing nothing special but good enough that people want to hear me again but i am the one with the most gigs not my brillian guitarist friend, why because i use ST3 to help me create the full package on stage.
                      What im trying to say focus on power and simplicity and what is the feature going to do for the majority.

                      While i was writing this i was fiddling with Prologic and have created A six track backing track exported it as a multitrack file into a folder called the same as my song , then i shared it using Airdrop to my ipad and sucessfully imported it to ST3 Multi track folder this process is OK my individual tracks were all named and this is all packaged in a folder of the songs name.
                      Now i created a multi track empty file with the same name of the song and then i went to load all the individual files to the multitrack song, this is where i think a lot of people would struggle to where do i go and what do i do, do i hit the multi track setup button or do i hit Song details.
                      To me Multi track setup sounds more correct but no i cant do that here, soi go to Song Details, i am confronted with a page that still has nothing there for me to enter my individual files, so now after scratching my head for a while i fiddle with the interface to find something futher down the page that might be what i want so i click on it and eventually i am finaly where i need to be where i can then load in my one by one files to fully load the six tracks, now i am just trying for you to see the pain the new commer will come across to do this task, so any little improvement would be really beneficial.
                      So one is to be able to see the the Configure multitrack playback as soon as you enter song detail.
                      But for me the more logical spot for this would be the Multitrack Setup button so as you hit it the first thing you see is a funtion button on top to hit and get to do what you need to do, then right near that is to have your six track selection so you can easily make use of the multitrack track otherwise whats the point of it.
                      Then the ability to tweak the individual tracks that are selected only so the others that arent used are not in your face, then when you get down deep to tweak your EQ you can solo and undo/redo.
                      This then gives you some reason to use multitrack instead of multiple single tracks.

                      Sorry i am writing this as im playing around and giving you my first impressions which i think are most valuable because once you get use to something its hard to see it from a different perspective.
                      Overall as an sound engineer musician i love the idea and it will definitely work for me and i wish i had this a few years back.

                      Ok more feedback
                      In Multitrack setup, which is where i think everything belongs in the first place to keep it very simple and logical,
                      FILE it shows you the file name and has a selectio arrow which does nothing, if this actually allow you to enter the song files you would have no reason to go to Song Detail.
                      I also noticed a lot of empty space above
                      Track2 Main output is it necessary? Probably yes due to Apple.
                      Anyway i will stop as i really want to give this now loaded multitrack a good bash through my new yamaha speakers and see the difference between my single and multi track versions, see where i can benefit the most.
                      Cheers have a nice day and stay safe Damir

                      EQ undo does not immediately reset the actual audio settings it only places the sliders back to zero but it does do a reset to zero if you exit the song and come back to it.

                        Hi Peter, i have played around with multitrack now enough to be able to give you feedback if you want it, some good and some that might get you thinking if you want it let me know because i wouldnt want to waste your or mine time. I know there are apple limitations so i dont know what is possible.
                        One major issue for me is giving up Tempo is very hard but perhaps a combination of the two methods might work.

                          Suggestion
                          This to apply on all the same screens,
                          mutirack setup,song equalizer, song properties,

                          Reason, the upper and lower sections of this window dont do anything for you and are a wasted resource, even if they do cover the selection buttons, as they have done their job and are no longer needed, a single touch on neighbouring screen area is perfect to exit, but having more realestate to have your tweaking instantly done without having to scroll down is more important.
                          Here is a quick sketch of what i mean, you can eaven hide the song selection area and have your full lyrics showing. So as you perform you hit one button and everything is in your view to tweak touch the lyrics screen and youre back on track.

                          Oh and i couldnt help myself i centralized the Eq band headings.

                          SoloGuy So essentially, the audio tracks would be individual files. Makes me think that a “container file” that would include all of the individual tracks might come in handy here just to keep the songs organized but I don’t know if there is a standard for that already in existence.

                          The only standard I am aware of are multitrack wav files. But they have some disadvantages:

                          1. The size: they are uncompressed and take up lots of space
                          2. Depending on your DAW they might be a bit complicated to create
                          3. Track layout for Stage Traxx needs to be fixed (ie. track 2 always needs to be drums). If you don't need a specific track you still need to have it present for the routing functionality in ST3 to work correctly. And that takes up lots of unnecessary space.

                          Damir EQ undo does not immediately reset the actual audio settings it only places the sliders back to zero but it does do a reset to zero if you exit the song and come back to it.

                          Spot on, will fix this.

                          Damir One major issue for me is giving up Tempo is very hard but

                          Tempo and pitch changes use up a lot of cpu. In the worst case if you crossfade from a 6-track playback to another 6-track playback you would need 12 tracks to be manipulated in the same time. My older iPad Air did not manage to do that and I will not enable a functionality that could lead to dropouts depending on the hardware you use.

                          Regarding the UI: At this point I'm not going to make any more changes. My aim was to include these multitrack features with as little impact on how the app looks like as possible. Some things are not as accessible as they could be but in the end ST3 is not a remix tool. The things you might need to change during a performance are within reach.

                                How far is the ETA for the final version buddy? 😁😊😎

                                I hope the next update on the weekend is the final version. Things look fine so far and the last reported problems have been rather minor and will all be fixed in that update.

                                Then I need to finish updating the documentation which is a bit more work this time due to the large changes.

                                But all in all I think the final version will be released in 2 weeks.

                                  Hi Peter I think I’ve found a small bug relating to midi commands as follows. If the stop button has been set to rewind and a song is stopped during play back, when you restart the song (from the beginning) no midi commands are sent - you have to reload the song to get them working again. Can you please confirm.

                                    DickyDutch Oh yes, that's a very good find. Not only does it not send timed midi messages after a rewind, but also when you seek. I will fix that in the next update.

                                      Hi Peter, Feedback on Multitrack.
                                      I know it’s in its early stages but here are things I feel don’t work well.
                                      Method of transferring and loading multitrack files is very labour intensive and requires to be slipstreamed.

                                      My thoughts
                                      Export from DAW to a folder with songs name, individual tracks in that folder to be organised in the order they will auto load in to ST3. When creating a new ST3 multitrack it automatically shows me all the multitrack files as an option to load them and automatically places the first six files in to the multitrack song , all other extra tracks to be ignored but be available to load afterwards if needed. Any folder that has less tracks only those tracks get loaded. If you enter a folder and choose a file in to an already established multitrack it adds the file to the next available empty track, if loading a file in to an empty multitrack song this files name is used for the songs name and is loaded in to track 1 from then on any extra file loads will just load and have no affect on the song title.
                                      So the idea is to be loading a folder first this sets everything up for you instantly but you can then have the freedom to enter this folder and enter files individually,
                                      This then saves a lot of time and streamlines work flow. I know it might clash with how it is now but it might spark some ideas in your head to improve the existing method which works but is not efficient.
                                      I was thinking I might label my tracks like this in the DAW to make it easier to load in ST3
                                      1 Bass
                                      2 Drum
                                      3 Rhythm
                                      4 Solo
                                      5 B Vocals
                                      6 Click
                                      At the moment Logic Pro spits the tracks out and places them alphabetically even though I have them in track order exactly how I want them.
                                      This would then force the files names in the correct order in the folder making it easy to load them in to ST3.
                                      Ok that’s it for now stay safe.

                                      I got this error message while loading in my multi tracks one at a time on the fourth one this popped up but has done it a number of times randomly.

                                      Feedback on multitrack, everytime i complete a multitrack song and everything is ready to go i feel like my arms and legs have been choopped off.
                                      A great feature but i cant instantly use it to do anything different then a stereo single track it just plays the same, forget the fact Pitch and Tempo are gone i can live with that, but i dont get any instant advantage of the multitrack as its all hidden and burried.
                                      I expect at least some instant switching so i can mute unmute tracks thats what multitrack is therefore, yes separate eq is nice and ability to adjust volume and pan but the most reason people go to multitrack so they can easily manipulate which track is on or off on each individual song and that to be remembered for next time.
                                      This feature is well burried and works across all songs , yes i agree this might be still handy for a few that run in a very fixed way and plan 10 years ahead but for everyday users that quickly want to load in and create on the run it limiting and useless, using stereo tracks with multiple takes of the same song and planned playlists you can create the same effect and easily change band members and get the appropriate backing to suit the day.
                                      If you need a click as well just have it on the right channel use the left for fronthouse and presto you can save six combinations of songs in Stereo with a click on the right ch .
                                      Have six playlists and choose the one appropriate for the occasion.

                                      What i am trying to say multitrack is not showing its full potential at the moment because it is burried.
                                      If im going to use it and give up on my Tempo/ Pitch i expect it to be in my face greeting me with its power and making me smile on stage while im using it and saying to the stereo users look suckers this is what i can do easily and thas manipulate the song on the run MUTING especially.

                                      Feedback on Multitrack function i was hoping for something like this as an interface,
                                      You create a new multitrack hit multi track setup and bang all you need in your face auto load means if its on it will auto load the first 6 tracks from the multitrack folder in and place them in the order they are residing in the that folder.If the auto load is off it lets you load individually using the BASS area which would be labeled Load File if it was empty.If you dont have auto load on it will simply load the folder name which should be your song name and automatically point you to that folder if you chose to manually load the tracks. This then saves searching all around the ipad to figure out where are the files.But if you want to navigate to another song or folder in the ipad this should be an option but first option is the songs folder that you have chosen in the SONG LOAD button.
                                      This then makes it very easy to do all things in one place MULTITRACK SETUP cause thats why its got that label.
                                      In Settings the multitrack setup should be used if you want to overide all the individual mutes and o/p settings and force the multitrack to only work i one specific way.The beauty of my way of operating is i can manipulate all most important things that multitrack offers on the run, while the way it is now you are forceing us to think way ahead and go trough great lengths to prepare a song and the only gain is to be able to leave out an instrument if needed but this has to be pre planned, soung quality is not an issue as both systems give you good sound , the chances of things going wrong in multitrack setup are much greater due to complexity, loss of tempo and pitch and even operationally on stage it is very awkward, so to make the multitrack appealing to majority the operating interface has to be improved my idea is one that might help there could be others that are even better it does not matter but it needs a good look and thought.

                                      I'm sorry, as I already wrote a couple of days back, at this point I am not doing any more changes to functionality and user interface. Only bug fixes for the remainder of this beta.

                                      Your feedback is noted and once I get more feedback from other users, I will decide which suggestions I will implement.