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SUGGESTION
I didnt realise you could manipulate a song in SONG mode and immediately place it in to a playlist, This is fantastic!
The reason was i didnt realy know what playlist meant then when i entered it, it was a whole lot of playlists on a blank screen, so i just shied away from this and was happy the way i loaded my playlists.
But now that i know this little treasure of a feature i am suggesting you rename the playlist to something like LOAD TO PLAYLIST ,
Then in playlist i would do something that is obvious to a newbie to what needs to happen and i would also change anything else on ST3 that has the same logic to reduce confusion and streamline operation.


The reason i shifted the Configure Multitrack Playback is i was struggling to find it innitially and feel its something that should be immediately available on the screen as you enter Song Details, right under Edit Lyrics which is another similar editing process.
I dont know why you need a MULTITRACK SETTINGS heading as you dont have anything else to do in the folder but input the audio files.
Perhaps that might change.

OK, this thread is escalating out of proportion. Please keep feature requests that are not related to changes introduced in the Beta version out of this thread and create seperate feature request threads for them. Version 3.4 is feature frozen. I have 2 requests still sitting in my pipeline (including sticky table headers to make filter options always visible) but there will be no other new feature additions in version 3.4!

I will no longer comment on any new feature suggestions in this thread.

@JDSMUSIC Please create a feature request for this. But keep in mind, if I add a global load midi command, you will have to remove the conflicting song specific load command from all your 500 songs!

@Damir

Autoplay: I will not change anything in the 3.4 release. Please create feature request threads for these suggestions.

Button coloring: All buttons use the selectable tint color. The Autoplay button is filled when active. No other button does that.

Highlighting: This seems like a bug. I will investigate.

Wifi: I strongly recommend the use of a dedicated high quality router. The adhoc network works for rehearsals but is way too unstable to be used in a crowded venue with dozens or hundreds of mobile devices congesting the bandwidth. Apple did not anticipate the use in such conditions. Of course you can still stick with the adhoc network but you will get dropouts!

Ordering of new songs Change the sort order to newest if you want new songs to appear first. The song table is always displayed in a certain sort order. If you add songs they will fit into that sort order. No way to make an exception there.

Song Details: I did originally have the multitrack entry at the position you suggested but it did not feel right. I had to always search for it. Having it separated in its own group makes it easier to locate. The "Load To Playlists" suggestion does not fit because this is a screen that shows all Playlists that contain this song and not a screen where you can only add it to playlists, you can also remove it. Maybe "Playlists with this song" is better but on the other this is too long for my liking. So I guess just "Playlists" is fine enough.

Found a problem, PLAYBACK AND TRIM does not work anymore like it use to.

    Found an issue but dont know if its a problem or something thats meant to be.
    When hosting to a slave the song selection screen on the slave does not highlight the blue or the yellow songs to indicate what is going on on the host.

      Damir Found a problem, PLAYBACK AND TRIM does not work anymore like it use to.

      What should I look out for?

      Damir When hosting to a slave the song selection screen on the slave does not highlight the blue or the yellow songs to indicate what is going on on the host.

      The client always shows the current queue on the master. The topmost song is the current song and the second song is the next song. When the master changes anything, the whole list is updated on the client.

        peter it ignores previous old settings and it does not save new ones

          Time stamped lyrics go out of sync when exiting and re entering the program and continuing from where you left off.
          I used the same song on both ST3 and Beta and played it through pausing on occasion and i bounced between the two songs ST3 alway went out of sync a little more each time you do this but the Beta jumps whole sections so it is worse.

          Damir PLAYBACK & TRIM IS UNSTABLE.
          1
          When trim data is changed and saved in trim player it is not recognized when played in main player.
          Observation
          In main player if you manually drag the waveform beyond the trim start position than drag it back it will stop at the start trim position and play from there once started, but if you exit the song and come back to it again the trim start is still ignored and the song starts from the beginning even though the waveform shows correctly.
          2
          When trim is changed, sometimes it is not recognized in its own player, and it will sometimes auto trigger playback.
          3
          Sometimes Even though the bar graph indicates the correct data when you hit play it is ignored and playback starts from beginning, and sometimes it ignores the end and plays right through to the end.

          4
          I have had an instance when two audio playbacks have occured at the same time, as i entered a trim time and hit enter the main player started as i thought the trim player triggered i hit to stop it but it actually started as well and i heard the same track playing on top of each other , i had to stop the trim player exit to the main player and stop it.

          Some of my observations on playback and trim so to help you sort things out.

          I noticed if you clear start trim to 0:00.00 then enter a time say 1:00.00 the trim player will start correctly as long as you don’t exit the player if you do exit than come back to it the 1 min mark will be ignored although the waveform indicates correctly.

          Now clear the start trim to 0:00.00 again and enter 1:00:00 then hit play and let it play for 10 seconds hit pause than drag the waveform to the end than hit play you will notice the song starts at 1:10.00 instead it should be 1:00.00.
          It seems the end of the song reverts to the last pause position instead of start of the trim time.

          If you play the song right through without pause when it finishes it just stays at the end, it should automatically go to beginning of your start trim position and wait for a play command again.

          When you clear all data in Start trim and hit enter it diverts to 0:00.00 which is correct.
          When you clear all data in Stop trim and hit enter it also diverts to 0:00.00 this is incorrect it should automatically divert to the end of the actual song length.
          At the moment you can only get back to your actual song end again is by entering a higher time frame than the actual song is.This is not practical.

          5
          When you set a Stop trim lets say 2 minute mark you get an automated 15 second preview setting so you can just hit play and hear your edit, except the song starts from the begining of the song ignoring Start trim setting but the waveform actually starts at the correct 15 second offset.

            peter The client always shows the current queue on the master. The topmost song is the current song and the second song is the next song. When the master changes anything, the whole list is updated on the client.

            Then wouldnt it be logical to have the top line in blue and the second line in yellow colour permanently so it is visually self explanatory and follows the same logic of the master.

              Damir I looked at it yesterday. What I found is that the end time handling was fine. But start time handling did not work at all. It did only work when manually seeking to the start. I could fix that yesterday. I think all your observations are affected by this bug. Before you put any more time into it, please wait for the next update (on sunday)

              Damir Then wouldnt it be logical to have the top line in blue and the second line in yellow colour permanently so it is visually self explanatory and follows the same logic of the master.

              You are absolutely right. The queue also shows both markers even though they are always on position 1 and 2. I will add that in the next update.

              I noticed in Testflight that you did have 2 crashes on tuesday I believe on you iPhone which from my perspective seemed to have happened when you connected or disconnected an audio interface or maybe headphones. It seems that you connected an mono output. I was not aware that something like a mono USB interface exists. Can you remember what you did when the app crashed?

                peter one crash occurred when I answered a phone call while I was testing, the other one I can’t remember what exactly I was doing.

                  peter I have noticed the blue and yellow songs have a logic issue with the purple,
                  In a playlist If you have two purple songs next to each other and then choose the top purple song it does not highlight it blue even though you can play it, the yellow song is the next unplayed song which is below the bottom purple song, but if you choose to play the bottom purple song it does highlight in blue,
                  Here’s some examples 2 in play mode 2 in stop mode


                    Damir one crash occurred when I answered a phone call while I was testing, the other one I can’t remember what exactly I was doing.

                    Makes sense as phone calls are always mono. I will try to reproduce the problem with my iPhone.

                    Damir I have noticed the blue and yellow songs have a logic issue with the purple,

                    I fixed that yesterday. Be assured, I make notes for every possible issue reported in this thread and try to fix it. If I need more info, I will ask for details here. When I only acknowledge a bug like I did with this highlighting issue, that means that it is on my todo list and I know how to reproduce the issue.

                    There is a lot of traffic here in this thread, so if I forget to fix something, you will see it in the release notes of the next version. In that case please just point me to the original problem description.

                    Damir I just realized, I did not fix all of these issues. Only the problem with the start trim is fixed. I need to work on the others as well. I will try to have everything fixed with the trim settings in the next update.

                    Damir When you clear all data in Stop trim and hit enter it also diverts to 0:00.00 this is incorrect it should automatically divert to the end of the actual song length.

                    I can't reproduce this. When I clear the text or tap the x button and hit enter, the end time of the song is set.

                    Damir When you set a Stop trim lets say 2 minute mark you get an automated 15 second preview setting so you can just hit play and hear your edit, except the song starts from the begining of the song ignoring Start trim setting but the waveform actually starts at the correct 15 second offset.

                    I can't reproduce this either but what happens for me is that it does not stop at the new stop time. It seems like the stop time is only set when entering the window.

                    Damir When you clear all data in Stop trim and hit enter it also diverts to 0:00.00 this is incorrect it should automatically divert to the end of the actual song length.
                    I can't reproduce this. When I clear the text or tap the x button and hit enter, the end time of the song is set.

                    Yes I see, it worked fine for me too, so I found what you need to do for it not to work. If you have a start time set, clear it first then try and clear the stop setting by deleting all and hitting enter you should get 00:.00.00 instead of the actual song length time.
                    A lot of these faults I have come across only show themselves only when you play around some don’t appear till you do things slightly differently so you have to look at an operation from different angles.

                    When you set a Stop trim lets say 2 minute mark you get an automated 15 second preview setting so you can just hit play and hear your edit, except the song starts from the begining of the song ignoring Start trim setting but the waveform actually starts at the correct 15 second offset.
                    I can't reproduce this either but what happens for me is that it does not stop at the new stop time. It seems like the stop time is only set when entering the window.

                    I have had it not working in a number of different scenarios but the quick one is do exactly the same thing as I suggested earlier regarding the stop trim time but when you get the default incorrect reading of 0:00.00 type in a lager number like 9999 hit enter you will get the songs correct length time and a 15 sec preview now hit play you will see the song starts from beginning, now this could all be related to one fault so I will wait till you sort the other issues first but keep in mind when fixing them that there are other things that are not working correctly.

                    New build 6893

                    With this update we are feature complete for version 3.4.0 🙂.

                    If nothing unexpected happens, this might be the first release candidate. Now I will start updating the manual.

                    Added

                    • Table headers (i.e. filter and sort options) will always stay visible when scrolling
                    • Context menu for timestamps in lyrics editor to position playback at the current timestamp
                    • Reset button to song and track equalizer views
                    • Coloring for current and next song in network player

                    Changed

                    • Seeking is now possible during playback in song details, lyrics editor, equalizer and multitrack view
                    • EQ button in big player is now greyed out for lyrics only songs
                    • Some text corrections

                    Fixed

                    • Various problems when setting start and stop trim positions in song details
                    • Highlighting of current and next song in playlist view when displaying played songs
                    • Queue button in network player losing transparency
                    • Playback position not in sync when switching to and from other apps
                    • Possible crash when accepting phone calls during playback
                    • Various rendering issues in iOS11 and iOS12

                      peter Peter great job with trim but still one little problem, create 1 min start trim 2 min end trim hit done when you start the song it does not do what you have just programed untill you leave this song and then return, its like done does not update the new song settings until you reenter the song.

                      I have just figured it out, the reason this happens is the priority is given to where you were in the song when you went to edit the trim , when you come back from editing this position takes priority and not the new settings, now this is not a major drama but it does apper to be a fault because you expect to immediately get what you have created.

                        EQ reset is fantastic, i feel bad mentioning this and its my fault i did not think of it before, but if the reset button could be a toggle reset so you can switch between the old and new setting like compare between the two and whatever you live it on gets remembered when you exit.
                        I really feel bad that i didnt suggest this first.

                          Feedback on highlighted songs in slave display, it feels complete and comfourtable and easy to understand to what is happening on screen.

                          Feedback on playback position not in sync, it works perfectly now in Beta i can bounce back and forth the ST3 looses sync while the Beta is rock solid now, well done Peter.