Control ST3 on ipad from iphone

Tavilazar this can be accomplished using a wireless IEM reversed. That would overcome the limitations of latency with BT as well as distance. Someone may have already said this BTW.

Tavilazar I would have to look into that. May be better to use an audio interface connected to an iPhone with ST3 running and send wireless audio to the console with the reversed IEM (output of audio interface to IEM transmitter and IEM receiver connected to mix console).

Tavilazar Sorry about that. IEM means in ear monitor. Nowadays they are usually wireless and no latency.

howifeel I have used IEM for many years, and every now and then I get disturbances, spikes of noise or white noise. I would never trust reversing the intended signal flow, going to my mix and PA. And no, they have not been cheap systems. Shure and Sennheiser.

Tavilazar I came across a Sennheiser device for home use that runs on RF signal and is virtually zero latency (almost).

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/335374588398

I have used this and it works well though I went with another system…

Tavilazar

Well, ive been thinking of the same.
Right now i’m using my 11’’ iPad Pro on the floor for lyrics, while the phone is my main source for stereo backing tracks via airplay. Not quite ideal.

If there only was an app extention for the phone that contained only the song list that would trigger the ipad remotly (like the ipad being the main unit with the phone being the «control surface» for Stage Traxx on the ipad).
That would fix everything for me!!

This solution would make a more solid playback solution possible from the wired iPad Pro as well as being my lyrics prompter. Controlled only by the phone barely visible for the audience

Version 4 will have remote control capabilities.

metamorfosis18 no disrespect, but how long do we still have to wait?

As long as it takes, I rather get an improvement on ST3 than just a different version , Apple is very good at that , but Peter is not , thank goodness.

The other thing that often occurs across major versions is that the 'internals' of the app are re-written, updated, etc. Apple releases new frameworks every year that provide more feature, capabilitiy, performance, reliability (lol! well, maybe...) and Peter will be evaluating which of these he updates from ST3 to ST4. And it's not like upgrading the RAM or GPU on your PC where you just take the old one out and slot the new one in. You usually also need to update the code in your app that interfaces with these frameworks.
Then you have to test everything, because there's never only 1 way to do anything, and what Apple document may not necessary work, or work as expected.

Yes, it's a lot of 'under the hood' stuff that we don't actually see most of in the final shiny product, but it is necessary. To not do it, means keeping older and older code. Even if it worked reliably now, that doesn't mean it will work as expected with the next iOS/MacOS update. So by updating the code, Peter is also trying to futureproof as much of the app as possible, for as long as possible.

Developers also need to make hard calls on when to stop adding new features to a current, stable version of a product. Especially when they are already working on the next version. Every time Peter has to go back and change ANY code in ST3, there is a risk of introducing new issues (regressions). To add a new feature compounds that risk significantly. It may not even be possible without making significant changes to other parts of the code base which again compounds the risk. So as frustrating as it can be to us users, the absolute right thing to do is to stop adding any new functionality to ST3, and only fix major bugs. Also, all that time could be spent on working on ST4, where that same feature we want has been factored in from the start and will likely take less time and effort to implement. So, where do we want Peter spending his finite time? I think most of us would be saying on ST4.

Being a developer can be thankless. Everything takes too long according to your customers and management. Vendors don't document stuff properly. Stuff doesn't work as expected, or sometimes even as documented.

metamorfosis18 but how long do we still have to wait?

Ref: https://support.stagetraxx.com/d/3021-happy-new-year-and-a-look-ahead-for-stage-traxx/29

Aiming for late 2025 for release. You can assume there will be betas available before then for testing.

It is a complete rebuild from the ground up based on everything I have learned in version 3. Especially remote functionality does not work at all with how data is handled in version 3. I realised just recently that version 4 data handling also did not meet the requirements needed for remote capabilities. So I spent the last 2 weeks completely rebuilding the data layer. It's things like these that lead to long development times together with the fact that Apple likes to change technologies. Version 3 user interface is based on Apples UIKit framework which, knowing Apple, will be deprecated and completely replaced by SwiftUI sometime in the next couple of years. So Version 4 is build on SwiftUI which works completely different and require all views to be rebuild from the ground up.

So the bottom line is: There is a little bit of code I can reuse from the Audio Engine but the rest is rebuild from scratch. And ST3 is no small app. It just takes time to move all functionality over and improve it. But it will be worth it. And ST3 works just fine the way it is. So there is no immediate need to replace it.

Remote control will most likely be enabled by defining a password on the host that you can set on the client if you want to use remote functionality. With no password or the wrong password you will just be able to see what happens on the host.

peter Cool. That works!

peter I understand a bit better your work and efforts. I am using ST3 because I haven’t found anything better for running tracks, including Ableton Live which I used for many years. In my opinion your app is awesome and not to complicated for “regular” users. Thank you and really looking forward to an even stronger app when ST4 comes out.