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  • Open Beta Version 3.8.0

Sharonzaz For some reason the AUv3 plugin doesn’t work, it loads but does something funny and then doesn’t seem like the audio is actually running through it?

Can confirm the routing is somehow broken when you enable a plugin. At least I also get a bit weird behaviour and need to investigate in detail.

Damir Where in the software do you load .stsa files?

You are right, I should add a load option for stsa files. For example in the menu that pops up with the + button in the song list.

Lishy hi Peter, the how many seconds to seek seems to be stuck on 10 seconds no matter what you change it to in settings.

It only works for the remote actions. I forgot to add this setting to the assignable buttons. Will fix that in the next update.

Damir if it was in SONG PROPERTIES then you could control it on the run

Good idea, will add the metronome setting to that popup.

Damir With fast tempo songs its very hard to trigger it on the beat ,

A general problem I talked about multiple times. As long as ST3 is not aware of a beat grid and there is latency when pressing start, it is impossible to get the metronome in sync. That's why the focus for this feature are lyrics only songs. With audio songs, just select the mode to display the metronome only when stopped so that you can get a feel for the tempo before the track starts.

Sharonzaz If i set any of the multitracks output to the same bus as the main output its set, still no audio is routed
through the Auv3.

That's a consequence of the new much more flexible routing. I got rid of the bus system. Each audio source is routed directly to an output. So I can only patch plugins between a source and the output. So in this case the source is the stereo song player. Even if you route a track in a multitrack song to the same output as the stereo player, the route through the audio engine is different.

This also applies to the master equalizer. I guess I should rename both from master to something like stereo song equalizer and fx.

Sharonzaz well done on the pitch\time of multitrack! perhaps if theres an option to
exclude certain multitracks from pitch, such as drums and percussion, those dont need to change (only speed)

I had this already implemented but had to realize that the pitch changes introduce latency. So by disabling this setting on certain tracks they no longer played in sync. I even tried to keep the plugin running with very small pitch shifts but it seems that the latency depends on the amount you change pitch and the tracks still have been out of sync.

So maybe in version 4 I can add a full dynamic latency compensation but that's not possible in the current audio engine implementation.

DickyDutch However I’ve noticed that when the metronome is playing you no longer have the ability to jump to the next or previous pdf page by tapping the screen. When the metronome is stopped you can. Suspect this is a small bug.

I will take a look at it.

DickyDutch Also I’ve noticed that pdf annotations/ markups don’t appear to be included in a full back up.

Annotations are stored in the pdf file directly. So they should automatically be included in the backup. But I will take a look at it.

Damir It would be great to have a master metronome on off switch on the interface so you can turn it on or off without effecting each song metronome setting.

I could add a master switch somewhere in settings.

                        peter It would be great to have a master metronome on off switch on the interface so you can turn it on or off without effecting each song metronome setting.

                        I could add a master switch somewhere in settings.

                        In settings is ok but not really perfect as you want this master switch on the main page for quick on stage enable disable so when you choose to have a long interaction with the audience you can easily enable it to keep you in visual time so when you choose your next loop you are returning to you will be still in time to join in , as I said earlier as the loop is started again it’s timecode should retrigger the visual click from start , this then eliminates the sync problem as every new loop would restart the visual click on the start this would be good enough to keep the visual click in sync with the 3 to 6 minute songs as it would have multiple retrigger points using loops .
                        If you use one loop only that would be good enough as it would sync up at beginning of song and as long as your backing does not fluctuate in time too much it would be good enough, if you have a fluctuating time song just put in more loops to keep it in sync.
                        I don’t know how possible this is but that’s what I would try if I was building the software.
                        The visual click is fantastic in some situations but it can be a distraction in others that’s why a quick on off button visible in the main screen is needed.
                        Cheers Damir

                            Selecting loops not working when using XFADE . I believe its a BUG
                            Hi Peter, on IMac and iPad i have setup 1 second xfade , if i use xfade i can not select loops on the next song unless i stop and start the song, then the loop selection works again.

                              peter

                              So are you saying there’s not going to be a way
                              To have the AU plugin on multi track songs?

                              If that’s the case I will sadly have to stay on the last update before 3.8.

                              It’s a must for me to have the plug-in working for my particular needs

                              As much as I admire and appreciate your work I simply don’t understand why you make such great features and then take them away later
                              Sorry Pete I’m not trying to knock your work down, but we (or I) am relying on your app and certain things in it.

                                  Damir In settings is ok but not really perfect as you want this master switch on the main page for quick on stage enable disable

                                  But that will be possible on a song to song basis when song properties will contain the metronome setting for that song. I don't see anyone constantly switching a global metronome setting on and off. And for the case you describe, there is already the setting to play the metronome only when stopped. Then you do not need to switch anything on and off. It will just flash during your audience interaction and when you start again, it will be turned off automatically.

                                  Damir Selecting loops not working when using XFADE

                                  I will take a look at it.

                                  Sharonzaz Just curious, which plugin is it that is so important that you can not live without but do not want to print into your tracks?

                                  So you are using multitracks but only a single stereo output, right? Because AUv3 plugins most likely add latency and that would mean routing for example a click to another output would make it out of sync.

                                  I will think about the problem. Maybe I can create a a single bus only for the tracks routed the same output that the stereo songs are using.

                                          peter But that will be possible on a song to song basis when song properties will contain the metronome setting for that song. I don't see anyone constantly switching a global metronome setting on and off.

                                          The way I would use the visual metronome.
                                          All my songs would have visual metronome available at all times, for the reason, it gives me prior warning of speed before I start any song if I choose or not choose to start with backing , it’s also enabled for when I pause in a song and add-lib which then allows me to be in good sync when I start the next loop , now I can do this with any song as the visual click is available on all my songs , BUT THIS DOES NOT MEAN I NEED TO HAVE THIS FLASHING IN MY FACE ALL NIGHT I ONLY WANT THIS WHEN AND WHERE I CHOSE IT SO BY BEEING ABLE TO JUST EASILY ENABLE IT WHEN NEEDED ON ANY SONG BECOMES VERY USEFUL , every song has the capability of its needed setting but I have the final say to when I choose to enable it or disable it.
                                          Some gigs I might never want it as I am not manipulating the audience other times I might need it all the time or perhaps every so often .
                                          It means it gives the user the option everything does not have to be pre programmed as it can be manipulated live.

                                              peter

                                              VisualEQconsule

                                              The issue isn’t necessarily ST3 problem, but I came to rely on this after you’ve introduced multitrack.

                                              My Helix (my guitar pedal) serves as a central hub, kinda like a mixer, it allows me to plug in multiple sources of sound, my guitar, vocals and tracks and I’m able to process them all separately with EQ compression etc.

                                              Plugging the iPad using USB (with camera adapter) into helix introduced another issue where certain other apps don’t allow routing like ST3, and further, USB1/2 are only routed directly to the output without the ability to process them.

                                              I have since built up a system, preset that allows me to use everything I need from one iPad, running Spotify on the side while using ST3 and those are routed directly to outputs without processing other than the channel strip I bought (visual EQ console), and the click/count in is running through USB 3/4 where I can direct it to headphones out along with the XLR output (no latency between them).

                                              When I do a band gig I simply plug in stereo out but only send the click through another output on the helix to the drummer, and sub mixes his Edrums with a small mixer along my stereo out (tracks guitar and vocals).

                                              This set up saves me the need to take a bigger more elaborate mixer setup, setup times are easy and there’s no need for many cables between what I do/need and a mixer, monitors etc.

                                              I have come to rely on that processor so much that no being able to use it is going to take precious time, I’ve spent more than a year now barely getting to multitrack about 300 of my 500 string repertoire, and it’s all based on my workflow with my helix, that’s my meat and potatoes, I’ve managed to get to a point where 6 tracks are ok for me, two more will be good but taking my master out processing right now isn’t going to work for me. It’s tones of unnecessary work, it took so long to “balance” my sound and now I’ve got to do it again?

                                              Please find a way to make it possible to route one single stereo output as before (busses or no busses) to the AU and your own master EQ.
                                              I have no other way to make this work for me under any other circumstances. Not with my current setup.

                                              Otherwise I’d be fine with 3.7.5

                                              Thank you for all your hard work. Your app is light years ahead of any other app.

                                                  Damir I simply have no space available for another button. Maybe as an assignable button. But I don't see another option.

                                                  Sharonzaz Thanks for the explanation. I will see if I can find a way.

                                                        Hi Peter, excellente as usual.
                                                        After first loading the Beta Version and restoring a backup file, I opened the settings and it was a blank screen. Not sure why. I closed and reopened the App and it worked. See attached image.

                                                          The highlighting of timed lyrics with brightness is brilliant (no pun intended!), and very useful for me personally.

                                                          Regarding the User Preferences that are synced with iCloud, is there a list of specific User Preferences that are, or are not synced? I do most of my StageTraxx work on my Mac, and find it very useful to use the syncing feature. However, other than my Mac, at different times I am using StageTraxx on an iPhone Pro Max, an iPad Mini or an iPad Air. There would be certain preferences that are device specific, and I’d rather not have them overwritten by the sync.

                                                            Hi Peter,
                                                            I noticed that if you are using visual Metronome, then you cannot use two-finger zoom to adjust the lyrics size. It is still possible to zoom text using the buttons, however. Is that a limitation of the visual metronome or a bug?

                                                              Hi Peter,
                                                              I noticed that if you crossfade from a “lyrics only” song to a “multi track song”, then it is no longer possible to “Waveform seek during playback” until the track is paused and played again.
                                                              UPDATE: Waveform seek during playback seems to be buggy whenever the crossfade is used

                                                                Hi Peter,
                                                                In “Assign Actions” you do not enable “Toggle mute track 7 or track 8. Is that intentional?

                                                                  peter I simply have no space available for another button. Maybe as an assignable button. But I don't see another option.

                                                                  I totally understand, suggestion,
                                                                  You have unnecessary duplicate functions in places they don’t need to be yet functions that are practical and need to be available at hand you have no room for, example , song Properties is an area we can access while a song is playing and really only needs to have in this area things we need while playing live and not things that are doubled up in function or never needed to be changed on the run.
                                                                  Example song volume and pan are things that can be controlled on the main interface and in song detail so why hog this space with this when metronome control could be there with all functions , master on off , individual song off, stop, play, both I would also add in this place the tempo tap and numerical change of tempo so it is available while playing a song.

                                                                  Secondly why have the song title colour change in song properties surely it’s not something you are going to need while a song is playing , this should be in the pre production stage in song details as it’s something you make a choice on when at home and not while performing, there are greater needs this area should use like multitrack solo and mute facility so you can massage the backing while on the run.

                                                                  Don’t duplicate functions in different areas it just creates confusion and hogs valuable realestate and bloats the software ,I know it seem like it’s handy but I rather learn one way to do something than have 3 options and get confused to what I am doing.
                                                                  Think of it there are pre production needs and on stage needs and keep things in their right place .
                                                                  You have done a fantastic job so far but there are things that still need fine tuning.
                                                                  Can’t wait for the final results
                                                                  Loving the metronome idea I can definitely see it’s usefulness for all users if implemented correctly

                                                                  Oh just to add, send all notes off, is something a few midi users might need rarely, why not place that at the bottom of this area and have multitrack mutes/solo buttons at the top followed by all tempo metronome settings and then pitch speed and transpose as these are the most likely things the majority of users will want to tweak while performing
                                                                  Cheers Damir

                                                                    Found a small logic BUG
                                                                    if you enable metronome on a song then open song properties, you can not anymore close song properties touching the lyrics area.
                                                                    I think it’s due to the new metronome flashing screen addition.

                                                                      Thanks guys, good feedback so far. Will keep me busy for some time 😉

                                                                      Tim_pbjp After first loading the Beta Version and restoring a backup file, I opened the settings and it was a blank screen.

                                                                      I think the reason is that your backup had the dark mode disabled while it was enabled when restoring the backup. This particular change is rather difficult to achieve in iOS. I will take a look at it.

                                                                      Showtime Regarding the User Preferences that are synced with iCloud, is there a list of specific User Preferences that are, or are not synced?

                                                                      Only with the internal names that mean nothing to you. But I can assure you that anything I consider device specific is not synced. Which settings do you consider important to no be synced?

                                                                      Tim_pbjp I noticed that if you are using visual Metronome, then you cannot use two-finger zoom to adjust the lyrics size.

                                                                      Yes, the metronome somehow captures touches. I will take a look at it.

                                                                      Tim_pbjp I noticed that if you crossfade from a “lyrics only” song to a “multi track song”, then it is no longer possible to “Waveform seek during playback” until the track is paused and played again.

                                                                      Interesting, I did not change anything in that regard in this version. Will take a look.

                                                                      Tim_pbjp In “Assign Actions” you do not enable “Toggle mute track 7 or track 8. Is that intentional?

                                                                      I forgot to add those.

                                                                      Damir if you enable metronome on a song then open song properties, you can not anymore close song properties touching the lyrics area.

                                                                      I think that is related to the zooming and manual scrolling issues when the metronome is enabled.

                                                                      For the time being I will keep the "unneccessary" song properties in the popup as this and the song details popup are the same code and I don't want to seperate them at this point in the version 3 lifecycle. Version 4 will change all this anyway.

                                                                                    Beautiful build Peter. For those of us who have the Pro and an Apple pencil, any plans to use it in v 4?

                                                                                      jzavaletta You can already use the pencil to edit annotations on pdf files. What would be your use case?

                                                                                          peter Hi Peter, I would like the same or similar for NON-PDFs. Just scribble a quick note. Simple stuff.. Like this

                                                                                            Not sure how to do that on a text only view. I will make a note to look at this in version 4.