Hi, sorry a new user here I used it last night and just wondered if there was a built in normalisation tool for the volume?
it was all over the place which obviously is no fault of the software. But if I can do it within the software it’ll save me a lot of time haha!
apart from that loving version 3 
Well, there is no automatic tool builtin but if you import a track and it contains replay gain information, ST3 will read it and set the track volume accordingly.
Apart from that you will need to adjust the track volume manually. The setting is stored for each track.
Some more information for reading replay gain values. Stage Traxx tries to find the ID3 tag replaygain_track_gain. It contains a volume adjustment in dB to normalize track volumes. So a possible value would be -6.14dB.
You can use dedicated tools like MP3Gain or audio players like for example foobar2000 to detect track volume and write it into ID3 tags.
The volume scale of ST3 goes from -infinity to +6dB. So the highest boost you can do to track is add 6dB. As most songs are mixed down pretty loud, the replay gain values for tracks are usually in the are -10dB to -2dB. ST3 assumes that songs with positive replay gain values are very rare. So we set the 0dB adjustment in Stage Traxx to the +6dB max gain that we can use.
Sounds complicated but what it does is actually nomalize the volume to the highest possible setting ST3 can use. In the end ST3 adds 6dB to the replay gain value and uses that as the initial track volume setting. So a track with a replay gain value of -8.2dB would have a initial volume of -2.2dB. A track with a replay gain value of -1.4dB would have a volume of 4.6dB in ST3.
The advantage is that the volume is as high as possible. The disadvantage is that low volume tracks with positive replay gain values will be capped at a volume of 6dB.
Ah, brilliant. I ran all of my tracks through mp3 gain (Was a ported version for Mac) I still seem to have fluctuations. Is it best to set the volume on song or device after doing this?
‘’the other thing I may do is set the volume threshold lower in mp3 gain so it cuts most of the tracks rather than boosts. Would this be wise?
Mbough Is it best to set the volume on song or device after doing this?
You should then only change device volume. Change the song volume only for tracks where the volume does not match.
Mbough ‘’the other thing I may do is set the volume threshold lower in mp3 gain so it cuts most of the tracks rather than boosts. Would this be wise?
Absolutely. As I explained above. Positive replaygain values will all be capped. It works best if the replaygain is negative. I use foobar2000 to detect replaygain and the default settings work fine for me. Only few tracks have such a low volume that they get a positive replaygain value.
I tried mp3gain a year or so ago, I didn't have much luck with it. I think while ti does drop gain, the biggest differnces I notice between tracks is the EQ... some songs may have way too much bass which mp3gain did not help on those.
Replaygain does only affect the volume of a song. It does not try to set a common frequency response.
Yep, Thats why my drummer rides the mixing console. He's pretty adept at playing one handed for an adjustment. He pretty much knows the songs that need eq which is why that Next Song is important.
THANKS!
Is there a particular reason that you don't use the track eq in Stage Traxx? I guess that would be the right tool for the job in your case.
I had tried to get him to do that but just too many songs to go thru.. he just does it on the fly. He has been at it now for about 5 years, so if we changed tracks using EQ he would have to break his habit of adjusting prior to the song .
JDSMUSIC song eq and volume is a fantastic tool. I’ve got 500 of my own recorded tracks and even though I’ve got a track template in logic some songs come out louder/softer thinner/bass heavy or brighter. Over time I’ve managed to almost perfectly balance all songs with one track only being still too soft and on ST2 I quickly switch to app volume and give it that extra bit needed. Work with song eq/vol and your life will be easy. Apart from the underlined issues some of use have experienced I don’t think there’s a single ipad/tablet app even close to ST2. On a mac/Pc I’ve purchased stage tracker (now called live tracker) that does what ST2 does plus allows for (please oh please Perer do this?) stem files with internal mixer
I used Platinum Notes 4 on all my tracks and it worked great. Pricey, but with 450+ tracks it was worth it and it was quick.
@peter , ST3 does not seem read gain values when from a multitrack setup, only single track songs. Is that correct? I managed to hear the difference between two audios when in single track mode, but not when I loaded them in a Multitrack setup and soloed each of the audios while playing.
Yes, my reasoning is that you want to have the same levels in ST3 as in your DAW when you bounced the tracks. That way the song will sound like in your DAW when all volumes are at 0.
I had single track before with click + cue hard panned left and backing track to right. However, now that I want to use Replay gain, foobar algorithm will apply the gain tags considering the click and cues as well, which is not desired. I’d like it to apply for the backing track only. But since it’s a one file setup that’s not possible.
Then I decided to export one track for click and cues and one track for backing track so that I can apply replay gain only in the backing track file, not click and cues file. And I’d use a multitrack setup in ST3 to hard pan click and cues to left and backing track to right. But as you said it will ignore the backing track replay gain. So this workaround did not work for me.
Shouldn’t ST3 read replay gain even in multitrack setup for consistency and the user decides whether to apply replay gain tags to the tracks or not in multitrack setup?
I need to think about that. Wouldn‘t the click have a wrong volume if the volume of the backing track is set via replay gain?
Foobar, gets my vote. Super easy to use, scanned all tracks in the one folder (over 1400 of them) within a few seconds, and reported back the gains, I then asked it to apply it to the tracks and not as a tag, and its got almost all of them pretty dam close to each other. I did this all on a back up of my files first to check that it was not gonna mess up big style. Once Foobar then applied the gain reductions etc to all the tracks, it means I dont have to rely on Stagetraxx or other apps to be able to read the gain tag.
@peter , all my clicks have the same volume in all my generated tracks and I send it from ST3 to a mixer where I control how loud I want them compared to the backing tracks. The point is that they will have a consistent volume through the whole gig. While the backtrack volume differences may happen, I hope to mitigate this by applying replay gain. Unless there is a better way to do this...
How do you do it? Do you apply replay gain to tracks with click?
