Volume Normalisation

JDSMUSIC

I tried mp3gain a year or so ago, I didn't have much luck with it. I think while ti does drop gain, the biggest differnces I notice between tracks is the EQ... some songs may have way too much bass which mp3gain did not help on those.

peter

Replaygain does only affect the volume of a song. It does not try to set a common frequency response.

JDSMUSIC

Yep, Thats why my drummer rides the mixing console. He's pretty adept at playing one handed for an adjustment. He pretty much knows the songs that need eq which is why that Next Song is important.

THANKS!

peter

Is there a particular reason that you don't use the track eq in Stage Traxx? I guess that would be the right tool for the job in your case.

JDSMUSIC

I had tried to get him to do that but just too many songs to go thru.. he just does it on the fly. He has been at it now for about 5 years, so if we changed tracks using EQ he would have to break his habit of adjusting prior to the song .

Sharonzaz

JDSMUSIC song eq and volume is a fantastic tool. I’ve got 500 of my own recorded tracks and even though I’ve got a track template in logic some songs come out louder/softer thinner/bass heavy or brighter. Over time I’ve managed to almost perfectly balance all songs with one track only being still too soft and on ST2 I quickly switch to app volume and give it that extra bit needed. Work with song eq/vol and your life will be easy. Apart from the underlined issues some of use have experienced I don’t think there’s a single ipad/tablet app even close to ST2. On a mac/Pc I’ve purchased stage tracker (now called live tracker) that does what ST2 does plus allows for (please oh please Perer do this?) stem files with internal mixer

mididiot

I used Platinum Notes 4 on all my tracks and it worked great. Pricey, but with 450+ tracks it was worth it and it was quick.

arthurspa

@peter , ST3 does not seem read gain values when from a multitrack setup, only single track songs. Is that correct? I managed to hear the difference between two audios when in single track mode, but not when I loaded them in a Multitrack setup and soloed each of the audios while playing.

peter

Yes, my reasoning is that you want to have the same levels in ST3 as in your DAW when you bounced the tracks. That way the song will sound like in your DAW when all volumes are at 0.

arthurspa

I had single track before with click + cue hard panned left and backing track to right. However, now that I want to use Replay gain, foobar algorithm will apply the gain tags considering the click and cues as well, which is not desired. I’d like it to apply for the backing track only. But since it’s a one file setup that’s not possible.

Then I decided to export one track for click and cues and one track for backing track so that I can apply replay gain only in the backing track file, not click and cues file. And I’d use a multitrack setup in ST3 to hard pan click and cues to left and backing track to right. But as you said it will ignore the backing track replay gain. So this workaround did not work for me.

Shouldn’t ST3 read replay gain even in multitrack setup for consistency and the user decides whether to apply replay gain tags to the tracks or not in multitrack setup?

jaytrax

arthurspa the only workaround I can think of is to add a stereo file version of the track (with no click or cues)

Replay gain that file let’s say it reports -1.2

Then on the multitrack version set the main song volume to -1.2 also,

Obviously it’s an extra step, but it would set the initial gain, obviously you can then tweak individual multitrack volumes if necessary

peter

I need to think about that. Wouldn‘t the click have a wrong volume if the volume of the backing track is set via replay gain?

DaveT

Foobar, gets my vote. Super easy to use, scanned all tracks in the one folder (over 1400 of them) within a few seconds, and reported back the gains, I then asked it to apply it to the tracks and not as a tag, and its got almost all of them pretty dam close to each other. I did this all on a back up of my files first to check that it was not gonna mess up big style. Once Foobar then applied the gain reductions etc to all the tracks, it means I dont have to rely on Stagetraxx or other apps to be able to read the gain tag.

arthurspa

@peter , all my clicks have the same volume in all my generated tracks and I send it from ST3 to a mixer where I control how loud I want them compared to the backing tracks. The point is that they will have a consistent volume through the whole gig. While the backtrack volume differences may happen, I hope to mitigate this by applying replay gain. Unless there is a better way to do this...
How do you do it? Do you apply replay gain to tracks with click?

arthurspa

@jaytrax , yes for now I'll do it manually. Thanks for the reply.

arthurspa

@peter , is it possible to open a feature request for reading replay gain values in multi track songs?
Perhaps having a toggle button in settings with disabled by default. Then if the user wants that, just enable the flag.

Thing is currently I'm setting values manually for all my songs and it's very time consuming and error prone.

Thank you for this great app!

peter

This is already on my todo list for version 3.8. I figured that most people would not run their tracks through ReplayGain so that using this value during track import would not harm them.

arthurspa

Great, thank you!

arthurspa

If not asking too much, when you implement it, would it be possible to add some visual hint that you’re reading from replaygain? That makes easier to differentiate the files I have imported already with replaygain and the ones that don’t have.