Backups

Matt07ie

Hello Peter, I know I'm back again with a different question regarding doing a backup successfully,
a few days ago I went to settings and pressed full back up on what I have done and edited so far with the 400 or more backing tracks I have now up and running,
Pressed full backup, gave it a name and no idea where its gone after that, I have read the manual online, and seen the YouTube video, but still can't get to grips with how to carry out and ensure I have actually carried out doing a backup successfully, please help me to understand, without guess working out everything,as I said I went to settings on my ipad gen 9 256gb of storage so there should be plenty room to do a full backup, too much work gone into now to mess up Peter,
But to continue when I pressed full back up, and gave a name for example Christmas full backup, I have no clue where its gone to or what to next

Lishy

Matt07ie it saves to your files folder on your iPad. There should be a stage Traxx folder and within that there should be a folder called multi track files where backups are stored. At least that’s where mine default too.

Damir

Matt07ie Hi Matt, simply put ST3 folder is the place everything that ST3 uses to perform , when you make a full backup i would strongly suggest you do not place your backup file in that folder, but create another seperate folder called ST3 BACKUPS, then save your full backups in there .
So basically you end up with two folders on your ipad one is the main normal ST3 folder and the other has your backups, the reason for this is if you uninstall your ST3 you can loose all your data and no means to recover it as the backups were within the ST3 main folder, thats why the Icloud is also a good option, but i dont use it as the backup file size just hogs up all my iclod space, and i also like to have my own folder with my full backup seperate so i can just easily transfer it to other devices using airdrop, this seems to work nicely for me as i always know where my full and data backups are and i feel safe that all my devices have this folder available to use if needed to get back my precious full backups.
I hope i have given you some usefull information, cheers Damir

Matt07ie

Lishy thanks Lishy for your reply, I'm just checking my files folder now as I message you, I have a window up saying On My Ipad
Stage trax 3 folder under it saying 328 items, clicked into it and all it contains is all my mp3 songs, I see no full back up folder, maybe it did not carry out the procedure if I can't see it in my files folder??

Lishy

Matt07ie is there definitely no blue multi tracks file in there? If not try the back up again and it will tell you where it has saved it to.

Matt07ie

Lishy thanks ever so much for helping me out, it's my very fist time using Stagetraxx and also first ever with Ipad, which Ipad gen 9 256gb of storage, right I did the backup again and for example I called it full backup Xmas 2022 and saved to ipad, then went back into my files folder and in the window on my ipad
There is now a folder with that name I created with the .st3 after it
so I presume that's it ?
but in the tutorial video Peter said save to ipad first then into stagetraxx 3 folder..... but the only other folder in the on my ipad window is stagetraxx blue folder when opening shows only all my mp3 backing tracks, surely I can't drop the full back up in there??
I feel so stupid right now to be honest, but after all it's my first time and once I learn I should be OK for the future, thanks ever so much for your time and help with this, so where is Peter saying to put this back up file when he's saying store it in a stagetraxx folder after first saving to ipad???

Lishy

Matt07ie yes that’s it. He’s probably just being doubly careful by saying save it to the cloud as well as the ipad just in case anything happens to the iPad itself.
When creating the back up you can select where it’s saved to.

Matt07ie

Lishy thanks a million for all your time and help, the back is now created anyway that's half the battle, now my ipad itself is saying its not been backed up in 2 weeks

peter

After you enter the name for the backup, a progress indicater shows you the progress of creating the file and once this is done, the file browser will open and ask you to select a location for the file. Did you not see that when creating the backup?

Matt07ie

peter I did Peter, and I see it inside the window ( On My Ipad )

Matt07ie

Damir Thanks very much Damir, yes I really appreciate all the help I can get here with regards to St3
I have put so many hours into perfecting my songs keys chords etc as I'm sure you have, and the last thing I want is to lose it all,
But just to recap, I did create my fill backup gave it a name and I do see it in the window on my ipad ,
So what your saying now for me to do is just create a new folder in
On my ipad window give it a name all my St3 back ups and drag and drop the folders I create in there?
I was just thinking if I were to say put another few hours editing within my St3 songs, could I not delete a previous full backed up folder and replace with the new one I just created, just not to be clogging up my ipad,
I do understand when you say not to drop a file into my icloud, you only get 15GB free here, thanks so much for your time and advice..

Damir

Matt07ie you got it perfectly, I name my backup files like this ST3 Full Backup 06/11/2022 and ST3 Data Backup 06/11/22, and you are correct I delete all previous backup files on my iPad to save space , I always use my iPad as the master device as it’s the one I also use on stage, the iPad is great to edit on once you get nice supporting software like twisted wave , but for actual full on audio editing I use Logic Pro on iMac then I export direct to iPad once it’s all up to date I send the backup ST3 backups folder to all my other devices and replace that same name folder on them to then be able to update my iPhone and iMac, this saves time and all my other devices become backup devices as well plus the normal backup hard drive on iMac that is always backing up my iMac. So I feel very safe when going out on a gig if anything is to happen I have a backup system in plan, this was my no 1 rule when I was sound engineering in Tv land on gigs like Beijing olympics , Sydney Olympics etc.
Good luck ST3ing!
Damir

peter

OK, so once the window opens, just select a location where you want it to be stored. It works best if you select a location on your iPad, like for example the Stage Traxx 3 folder. You can then find the file in that location with the Files app and move it into the Cloud or Airdrop it to another device.

Matt07ie

Damir sorry Damir it's only now I'm getting back to you, first of all to say thanks a million for your help and advice, greatly appreciated,
to be honest I'm uploading more songs to ST3 and constantly editing, tonight I decided to do a full backup, created a name, then create backup now and at the top righthand corner of my ipad pressed save and nothing happened,
went through the process again and then I see at the bottom of the screen
2 items syncing to iCloud, took the best part of an hour, then when that finished, still no sight of the full back up folder with name I created,
no idea what was going on for the hour when it said syncing 2 items,
Oh then it came up your storage is full, buy more, which I did 50gb 99 cent monthly, and still I can't see my full back up,
I have a pain in my head now from it all
well I did check my songs and all is working at least, but I would like to create a fully functioning backup of exactly where I'm at now, oh god will I ever get around this learning curve 😳🤔

Damir

Matt07ie well I did check my songs and all is working at least, but I would like to create a fully functioning backup of exactly where I'm at now, oh god will I ever get around this learning curve 😳🤔

Yes it is a painful learning process but once you get it it will be fine.Just create a folder on your device call it ST3 Backups and save your Backups there first, this will be a lot faster then doing it to cloud based services.
Once you have this folder with the latest backup delete all other backups on your device to save space and then you can airdrop this folder to your other devices to update them and you can also store a version on your cloud based services to be able to have access from anywhere, but first create the full backup in your newly created ST3 backup folder as it’s the safest/fastest way to go.
Good luck!
I assume you have the latest software and reasonably new device that is running the latest operating system.
Cheers Damir

Matt07ie

peter Thanks Peter ...

Matt07ie

Damir I have the latest software, I'm just looking at my ipad now and I did find the backup folder I created last night
Not in the screen where it says (On My ipad)
I opened ( ICloud Drive )
and in here I have a folder of songs I recently purchased, and beside the
I see a blue folder underneath it says
Downloads, I clicked on It and in here I find the full backup I created last night,
I'm puzzled as to how come the first backup I created ended up in (On My Ipad) screen, and this backup ends up in on ( ICloud Drive) in downloads folder,
I'm sorry if I'm Litteraly boring you and wasting your time here, I just want to try paint a picture of my ipad Gen 9 256Gb of storage, so plenty room for songs,
and speaking of storage
When I created backup last night
and as I was saying gave it a name and see save top corner and it just took off syncing for the full hour, then to get a message your icloud drive is full buy more storage, which I did and still today I'm getting that message, even though I now have 50GB and I see I have only used 4GB, do I need to contact Apple support and if so how,
yeah it sure is nerve wrecking,
having to think twice before I press an icon, I even pressed last backup I made at Christmas just to see what would happen and soon as I did it opened up my stage traxx and a grey box in the middle and I panicked and just powered off the ipad omg!
so finally your telling me to create another folder where? Into which window on my ipad or icloud drive?
also once again, where am I going wrong when Im creating a full back up giving it a name, I have got this far understanding exactly what I'm doing
but then it gets confusing,
Yes I know you may laugh having to take me by the hsnd, I could scream, well I keep that for the stage lol , but seriously I thank you for spending your valuable time explaining this puzzle

Damir

Matt07ie Not in the screen where it says (On My ipad)
I opened ( ICloud Drive )
and in here I have a folder of songs I recently purchased, and beside the
I see a blue folder underneath it says
Downloads, I clicked on It and in here I find the full backup I created last night,
I'm puzzled as to how come the first backup I created ended up in (On My Ipad) screen, and this backup ends up in on ( ICloud Drive) in downloads folder,

It looks to me if you have your backups in the ICloud folder in DOWNLOADS, then this folder is also present on your iPad itself, so your backups are also on your iPad in the DOWNLOADS folder , as I said before the simplest thing to do is create a folder on your iPad so it resides next to your ST3 folder call IT ST3 Backups, this will then be easy to find and place your latest backup in there this will also appear on your iCloud so you can easily get to it, and get rid of all your other backups to save space and reduce confusion.

Damir

Damir Hi Peter, just a thought regarding the backup system, as you can see it is not as easy as it possibly could be as some new comers not familiar with the operating systems are struggling, why don’t you have two folders dedicated to ST3 so when newcomers make a backup it is stored in an already created folder for them next to ST3 folder called ST3 Backups, this then to be easily accessible from ST3 settings so there is no confusion to where are these backups going and it protects the user of never loosing their backups if the software is uninstalled and reinstalled.
Just a thought.
Cheers Damir

Matt07ie

Damir thanks Damir, I will follow exactly as you direct me do,
I was totally taken up with my ketron Audya 5 all day yesterday and today, I did have an hour to spare and yes my ST3 still works without a glitch, I'll be opening up the ipad in a few minutes and il will add new folder into my ipad
Next to my Stage traxx 3 and call Stage Traxx 3 backups,
Then when as I told you I go to my settings on stage traxx 3
Create full back up, and once I press ok, I'm not getting a Window asking me where I want to save my backups
I'm definately not doing some right

Matt07ie

Damir hi Damir ,I'm back to creating another full back up and I'm at the iPad for the last 12 hours with no success , I am now going through your previous messages to me , and in reply to this one , I did all you said about creating a folder and now when I go into this everything is greyed out ???
and even though I did do a full backup and watched it's progress indicator I still can't understand why I'm seeing greyed out , and also I just noticed within ST3 settings I see under restore backup in small print there are no recent backups to restore, I know it's been a while but I'm totally baffled here , in advance thanks for any advice and help

peter

iOS doesn't work that way. An app is not allowed to create any folders outside of the app folder on your iPad. And storing the backup within the Stage Traxx folder was even more confusing to most users.

Damir

Matt07ie Create full back up, and once I press ok, I'm not getting a Window asking me where I want to save my backups
I'm definately not doing some right

You have to wait till the backup is completed then it gives you a window to where you want to place the backup.Choose the newly created ST3 Backup folder and hit save.
Delete all your other backups on your device and empty the rubbish bin to regain hard drive space.