Bass88

I also have a duo group using ST3. I use a Behringer U-PHORNIA UMC404HD. Any mixing is done on the iPad using AUM.

It is cheaper and more compact. Might be worth a look.

      Bass88 Happy New Year!

      Well, A I went and looked at both the Xair 18 and the Behringer U-PHORIA UMC404HD. I think the xair is pretty sharp and very applicable! A (would cover all basses with features to spare) but it looks like overkill for my duo and of course at the 1 kilo-dollars CDN price tag I think it’s maybe a little more than I want to spend right now (Especially since I have a QSC TM30 that I use for our larger band but it’s too big to drag around for a quick setup).

      The Behringer U-PHORIA UMC404HD looks more like my speed. I can see that the functionality as an interface would handle the minimum ins and outs we need as well as handle the midi controls of our light show and Kemper rig for guitar but I’m hoping you might be so kind as to help me better understand the routing & workflow of how you use it as a mixer?

      My FOH is a Bose L1M2 and I have the choice of either the 4 or 8 channel Bose mixer in my Closet to chose from if required but my goal (hope) is to use only one mixer/interface to simplify the playback rig wiring, as well as gig setup.

      Let’s say we have Acoustic guitar, fiddle and two vocals. Could I just simply use the UMC404HD as a mixer as well as an interface and utilize some kind of Behringer App to mix and add effects to the live channels? Is that what you are doing?

      The “icing on the cake” would be that We would like to be able
      To assign Click and guide tracks out to two separate auxiliary monitor mixes to IEMs (that I already own) so that ideally each of us could mix their own IEMs. (One single aux mix could work too).

      I have several interfaces that I run various recording projects with right now but they are either way to elaborate or not quite elaborate enough.

      I truly appreciate this support forum and all of the comments herein! It’s helping me get the most out of ST3 so if your willing to comment further or even if your not
      I Thank you (and everyone) for the shared ideas

        DickyDutch THANKS! I’ll keep reading ! I certainly like that the mixer, effects, compression etc are all contained with the interface in one unit! And the price is perfect!

        Happy New Year!

          Bass88 I did some more Research and I now understand what UAM is so that answers a lot of my questions in the long message 🙂

          Thanks!

            One thing to keep in mind is the latency. When mixing in AUM you will add a full set of roundtrip latency. Not sure how low you can get that with the UMC404 but I would guess that it will hover around 10ms which could already be too much for comfortable monitoring.

            If you want to go in the direction of an audio interface used as a mixer I would recommend looking at an interface with built in processing. Something like the Steinberg UR44C which also has a iOS app to control the integrated dsp.

              peter

              I agree Peter, latency is always something to keep in mind. I have been very impressed with the UMC 404HD, and down right amazed for the price point. My main use case for the unit is a live setup (Not using the monitoring feature) and have had no issues.

              Bass88,
              Here is a quick description of my setup. I have all of the live performer’s mics/instruments going into the UMC 404HD. The UMC goes into an iPad (usb and camera kit). On the iPad, Audio from the UMC and Stage Traxx is then brought into AUM. Any routing and effects are added in AUM. Then the AUM outs are routed to the UMC outs and to my Bose PA. (Since I am using the iPad for Stage Traxx, why not use it for the mixer too and not have buy/deal with another piece of hardware)

              I also have midi control surfaces to control Stage Traxx and AUM during my performance. I have connected these via USB in the past, but now use BlueTooth MIDI using Yamaha’s UT-BT01 and MD-BT01.

                4 months later

                @peter , I have a question regarding the Flow 8 and tempo synchronisation and if you could advise I would be most appreciative. The Flow 8 does not receive MIDI clock to enable tempo sync for the delay effects. Instead, it responds to a Tap Tempo message on MIDI Channel 16 using Note 0. Is there a way to make this work within Stage Traxxx to set the tempo for each song?

                That should be possible. You will need to calculate the correct timestamp values for the tempo you wish and send the note on commands with these values.

                For example for tempo 120 you need to send them half a second apart:

                [midi@00:00.00: N0.127@16]
[midi@00:00.50: N0.127@16]
[midi@00:01.00: N0.127@16]
[midi@00:00.50: N0.127@16]

                To calculate the time per Note use this formula: 60 / bpm value. Example 100bpm would lead to 0.6 seconds per Note event.

                Thanks for your reply Peter. I have tried this a number of times and, even following your example, the tempo set by the command still varies each time I play the song. Would there be any possibility of adding a function to Stage Traxxx where a specified midi command is sent with each beat of the tempo for the duration of the song set in the song details screen? Thanks in advance.

                No, as ST3 has no idea where a beat is even if you specifiy the tempo.

                If the tempo is not accurate with 4 midi commands just increase the number of messages you send. 8 for example.

                How big is the difference anyway. For a delay it really does not matter if it is 2 or 3 beats off.

                  peter
                  I have tried 6 and 8 and I still get different tempos each time. Especially when you go to tempos like 134bpm. The results vary each time.

                    peter
                    2 - 3bpm. I run in to the issue when I use a delay as in effect where I need it to feedback/decay over 3-4 bars. There is an obvious shift in time as the effect continues.

                    You mentioned in an earlier post that you own a Flow 8. If you have time, try setting a tempo of 134 and let me know how it goes.

                    I know the option to fire the required MIDI command at the bpm and division set in the song details window (not following the beat of the backing track) is available in other software (BandHelper) and it would be the icing on the cake for my setup with Stage Traxxx.

                    Many thanks for your hard work and advice Peter.

                      A shift of 2-3 beats at tempo 134 can be expected. ST3 is not a fully featured sequencer and the timing of sent midi messages can vary by a few milliseconds. That‘s usually no issue for the main purpose of sending program changes. In this case it leads to these small tempo variations.

                      A possible workaround could be that you create snapshots on the flow 8 with the correct times for your fx and the just recall these snapshots through ST3.

                      10 months later

                      peter Hi Peter, I’m after an interface that’ll allow me control the levels of the multitrack stems with faders or knobs (too fiddly to mess around with the Multitrack Settings dropdown during a live performance). Can the Behringer FLOW 8 handle this? i.e. could I assign each multitrack output of StageTraxx to a fader on the Behringer FLOW 8? Or does it he FLOW 8 only handle playback in Stereo?

                      If not, does anyone have any recommendations for an interface that’ll allow me to control the levels of each multitrack channel in StageTraxx using a physical knob or fader? Kinda like a Track Rig (by Loop Community) but with a level control for each output.

                      Thanks!

                        The Flow 8 can only act as a 4 channel audio interface with 2 independent stereo outs. So you could control those with 2 faders. If that's enough for you, it will work.

                        If not, you need a bigger digital mixer or use a multi out audio interface and connect the individual outputs to a regular mixer.

                        DickyDutch It has midi control yes but it's not very customizable, and uses the USB port so you can't record AND have midi control.

                          hello everyone,

                          I bought a flow 8 for our twoo man band. works nicely.
                          can I exchange snapshots via midi? to adjust the effects for each song, where necessary?
                          Is it possible via Bluetooth or only via PC and USB cable?

                          Grts Tommy