I am fairly new to ST3 as I’ve just discovered it as a way to incorporate playing backing tracks with the band I play in.
Basically i want to route the click track to the drummers in ears and the other tracks to the mains and other band members monitors.
I have a digital mixer (soundcraft ui24) and I was thinking the easiest way to do this would be lightning to RCA cable and pan the click track left and leave the other tracks in the centre?
I also wondered if there was another way of utilising the usb on the mixer to accomplish this as well but wasn’t sure if I could go straight in from the iPad to the mixer or if I would need an audio interface?
Slightly related but more for interest but how does the ST3 send out 4 audio channels (the main and 3 aux’s) out of a single output?

    Lishy simply put, you have two options if you have an ipad with headphone jack output, using the headphone out gives you one stereo analog out which plugs in to normal channel input of any mixer.
    The other option you can use digital output which gives you 4 stereo outputs using a single usb cable that needs to be plugged in to your digital device, if you dont have a mixer with digital input capability then you need a digital device in between your analog mixer and the ipad which converts the digital signal to analog.
    Remember you have six stereo tracks in ST3 that you can place six stereo audio tracks in then you can rout these six tracks to the FOUR STEREO DIGITAL OUTPUTS.

    You can also have a third option where you can use the headphone analog out as one anlog output and you can buy a cable that can have a usb analog out which gives you 2 outputs capability if you dont want to spend a lot of money on a larger interface.

    The simplest way to use ST3 with a click track and no complicated digital crap at the output, is just record your tracks with one side being your main fronthouse audio and the other side being the click, take the headphone out and place the main audio in to one channel and centre your pan pot now you have mono fronthouse, plug the click in to another channel and make sure the channel fader is closed so no front house and place your click to any aux you need the click on.

    This is the simplest and most reliable way to work the only drawback is you need to spend more time in editing to prepare your tracks but in my oppinion its well wort it as they say keep it simple stupid its never let me down and achieves the same result as the complicated method and the audiance will notice nothing different as long as you maintain your audio quality to the end.

      Damir thanks so much for the reply. Yes my mixer has a usb inputs. So if I get a lightning to usb cable I can then route the 4 outputs/tracks into the mixer and see them as separate channels on my mixers interface?
      I’m thinking it’s probably easier using a lightning to RCA cable and panning the click left and leaving the rest centred? Or get a 3.5mm stereo cable to two 1/4” mono cables out of the headphone Jack?

        I don't know if the UI24R works on iOS as an audio interface. If it does, then the easiest option is to connect the iPad via USB to the 24R and route your tracks to different channel.

        The panning option has the disadvantage that you lose one side of the signal if you pan a stereo track to the extreme left or right. I don't see how you could circumvent that by keeping the playback centered and having the click panned to the left for example. You could then only send right (without click) to the PA system which would loose all information on the left.

          Lishy i dont like the click on Left because in lots of mixers If you have a mono signal if you plug in to LEFT side the RIGHT side is joined to it so a mono signal plays on both left and right speakers then if you plug in the right side this then becomes a true stereo input, for that reason i preffer to place my main audio program on LEFT TRACK and my click track on the RIGHT TRACK, its not a disaster if you do it the other way but i am a bit padantic and like to have left track go in to left input and click than goes to another input.
          Example is, all mixer line level inputs use left Chanel as the preferred mono input and this then automatically feeds the right side of that channel, so it makes more sense to have your main signal on the left track.

          The pan idea in ST3 wont work as Peter pointed out.

          If your mixer has digital inputs then you can use the multitrack , but this then limits your other options of not beeing able to speed up and slow down your tracks, this to me is more important so i use the headphone out with all my files being a 1 stereo track, and i use to use the click on right, but now i dont even use that, i just use feed the same signal to all performers and use visual click track on devices so if there is a 4 bar silence the musicians can visually sync to get back in time to the backup track, now that we have looping there is even a better way as all backing stops and the band is totally free running you stop play que up the next section required and hit start on the beat this allows the band to do whatever they want for how long we want yet come in on the beat with the loop that gets selected and were back on tight beat again.
          This is what looping feature has alloud us to do plus manny more things that we never even thought about. So good luck with your setup.

            Damir the backing tracks i've downloaded are mono but I do see Peter's point about losing all information on the left.
            I'm just trying to figure out how I would route this all in my mixer so that only the drummer hears the click and backing track but the rest of us and the mains just get the backing tracks.
            How are you able to play a 1 stereo track and be able to speed up/down your tracks out of interest?

              Lishy

              Lishy the backing tracks i've downloaded are mono but I do see Peter's point about losing all information on the left.
              I'm just trying to figure out how I would route this all in my mixer so that only the drummer hears the click and backing track but the rest of us and the mains just get the backing tracks.
              How are you able to play a 1 stereo track and be able to speed up/down your tracks out of interest?

              Hi Lishy,
              I will give you information to how I would do it to achieve your need, this is the simplest and most flexible way from editing and setting up the mixer.

              Firstly in the Daw make your files a single mono file so all the audio information from left and right are mixed to a mono track and then pan this track to the LEFT when you have it done.
              Create another mono audio track and record your click on that , then pan this to the RIGHT channel , now export your final mix that would be at full level to a new wav file as a stereo song, now you plug your stereo headphones out to the mixer the left out to one channel say CH1 of the mixer and leave the pan central so now you have your audience happy, the right click channel plug in to another channel say CH2 and make sure you don’t feed this to the audience but feed it to an auxiliary out let’s say aux4 to be your drummer this then gives him click in his in ear or FB wedge now you go to CH1 again and bring up AUX4 and mix it in with the click till the drummer is happy with the mix and you are set.
              To keep things easy always record your backing tracks and click the same levels that way you don’t have to fiddle on stage to correct the drummers mix.

              This I have used many years with my band and it’s very reliable and easy the trick is to have a reference recording you always use to make sure when you create new songs they all end up similar this makes life on stage easier.

              I use Audacity to create a mono file from stereo files, then I load the mono file to Logic Pro pan to left and create mono audio track and record the click on that and pan right , export as stereo file and it’s done.

              From there on it’s a breeze and now having ST3 it’s an absolute dream on stage.

              To speed up/ down the music you have two ways to do it, on the playback device itself or you can have a Bluetooth foot or hand control to do this , you can assign the two buttons next to Stop/start button or buy an AirTurn foot pedal that you assign two switches where you can step up or down in speed this is really cool if you play an instrument, To set it up its really simple and reliable to use I strongly recommend it.
              To get precise info just read the instructions or watch Peters fantastic videos, this will help you a lot.
              Cheers Damir

                peter the Ui24 can yes but I’ll probably need around 5 meters of usb cable from my iPad to my mixer which might not be optimal.
                I’m also not using stereo tracks and doubt I will. I’m just downloading tracks from karaoke version which are mono so I think I’ll be ok doing it this way.

                  Damir thanks for all the info, much appreciated. I don’t use a daw and have been downloading ready made backing tracks.
                  So they are already mono.
                  I didn’t think it was possible to use the speed up/down when using multitracks though?

                    The tracks I download from karaoke version are usually stereo. But if it works for you, then you are set.

                    You are right, if you need to change the tempo you can not use multitracks. Tempo and pitch changes are only possible with stereo tracks.

                      peter I thought they were mono as it usually (I have seen it does on some tracks though) doesn’t state ‘rhythm guitar left’ and ‘rhythm guitar right’ for example?
                      If that isn’t the case then I’m going to need an interface for the stereo tracks and separate click track aren’t I?

                        Lishy thanks for all the info, much appreciated. I don’t use a daw and have been downloading ready made backing tracks.
                        So they are already mono.
                        I didn’t think it was possible to use the speed up/down when using multitracks though?

                        Sorry Lishy I misunderstood your operational need I thought you wanted a simple method of operation to get a signal to audience and a click track on stage.
                        The tempo change is not operational on multitrack and that’s a big reason I use stereo tracks as it’s more important to me to have that capability as it’s one thing a live band can do and most audio players can’t, the multitrack is great to have for other reasons which in my case is not worth using as it complicates things greatly for not much reward to the audience in the end.
                        So I keep things as simple as possible but as flexible as possible on stage cause that’s what it’s all about, the audience.

                        If the files you download are mono and make you use multitrack you need to use pan on the multitrack to create your stereo image like guitar left, guitar right and so on, its flexible and will sound great but it’s time consuming.
                        Good luck with it I’m sure ST3 will handle whatever you throw at it.
                        Damir

                          Lishy If you need tempo changes, you need to stick to stereo tracks and then you don't need an audio interface.

                          Damir ah the penny has just dropped! I didn’t know you could download stereo tracks when creating a song from local and cloud files and therefore use tempo and pitch changes! All your other messages make total sense now!! Thanks!

                          6 months later

                          Lishy

                          HI Lishy,

                          I saw this post and thought I would ask you a question. I've been thinking about getting a ui24r, but first want to make sure it is compatible with stage traxx. It looks like you are saying it is, but can you confirm that Stage Traxx3 does recognize the ui24r's inputs? I am hoping to use the multitrack feature (sending multiple tracks to different inputs of the ui24r).

                          If you tried it did you have any issues ever? I've dealt with DAW's not finding an interface every single time and it is something I want to avoid. I don't know if StageTraxx has a list of non compatible units or not.

                          Since I'm already asking...I'm curious have you ever had any issues with the ui24r specifically. It gets pretty solid reviews, but no one talks about how it holds up over time or compatibility in situations like this.

                          I hope this finds you well. Thank you !

                            mporo Hi Mporo, to be honest I’ve not tried sending multitracks via usb to see if it does but I also don’t doubt that it wouldn’t.
                            I’ve only ever sent stereo tracks (tracks down the left and click down the right via a headphone Jack to 2 xlr cable.

                            I’m terms of reliability, I’ve never had an issue with it (that was but user error that is). If you do ever go on the ui24 forum on Facebook you will find those that have had issues with short sound dropouts on occasions.
                            There will also be people saying you need to get a UPS. Personally I think this applies more to those in the US as I’ve never once had an issue and I’m in the UK.
                            If you do get one I would definitely get a 5g router to connect to it as the internal one isn’t that great.
                            Hope that helps.

                              Lishy
                              Hey Lishy,

                              Thanks so much for the quick response. I really appreciate the advice.

                              2 months later

                              I use this exact setup. You're asking for headaches using the ui24's built in interface. It just crashes. So I would recommend using a Komplete audio 6 ( or another 4 output+ audio interface) and a powered usb hub. Then setup st3 to : route your stereo out to mains 1 and 2 , and your click and cue to 3 and 4 aux. Now run into any of your consecutive hardware neutrik, 4 separate balanced cables. Ie inputs 8-11. Then mute the click and cues in mains on ui24, adjust to taste in each aux. It's rock solid. You can get the interface for 40-75 bucks used. Then you run your ipad with a camera/power connection kit (11 bucks on amazon) to a powered hub (essential so it routes and powers the komplete 6) and run the komplete on the main data i/o of the usb hub. I also recommend using a velcro cable tie to make sure there is strain release at the ipad connection. Let me know if you've figured out how to midi control the ui24 via st3 as that's what I'm seeking to do next...

                                8 months later

                                derums13 I’m laughing reading your post b/c I just got my UI24 connected to StageTrax and patched correctly to run multi track backing tracks just to hear that it’s unreliable to send that much audio through just usb.

                                Can you go into detail again about your setup? I have an idea as to what you are doing but there are some gaps. Especially at the IPad end.

                                Thanks