I'm sorry, but as I told you many times before, it is not possible to offer the new queue mode and the old playlist mode at the same time. You will have to adapt. The new system offers many option to tweak the behavior but the core will be the queue. If you absolutely can not make the queue work for you, you will have to stay with version 2.
Stage Traxx beta version 3.0.0
Hi Peter found a small bug whilst rehearsing with ST3 on my IPAD this afternoon. If whilst a song is playing a midi foot pedal is used to ‘move selection down’ (or up) then used to ‘trigger selected song’ a message ‘song moved to end of queue’ appears but song is in fact moved correctly to NEXT (2nd) in the queue. If however a song isn’t playing problem doesn’t happen.
best regards Richard
ps a great APP well done!
dellamore of course i stay on version 2 but it will support new update system ? you will continue to follow it ?
No, version 2 will no longer be supported. It works fine with iOS 12 but I don't know yet if it works well in iOS 13. We will see. In any case if you want to stay on ST2 I would suggest not installing iOS 13.
DickyDutch Yeah, it's the wrong message. I will correct it.
musicadi I feel exactly the same but stage Traxx 3 has got some great improvements like tempo change and pitch shift these two things could possibly get me to use the new version but not the way the logic is at the moment on the new version.
ON STAGE USE should be main priority of its logic so far it does not cut the mustard.
Here is one issue you will not like when you go to choose a song to add to your playlist and easily hit the STOP button while performing.
Solution shift the play button to the other side and keep anything that can stop your performance away from this button VERY LOGICAL something that was seriously thought about in the old version, that’s why it is almost bullet proof.
I have many more critical problems new version suffers from for on stage, perhaps the old version should have been beefed up with tempo/pitch and all other niceties version 3 has but left alone with its one page setup just turn it on and hit play mentality.
This is missing in version 3 and will put off many serious on stage users
rumbakid BackTrax is a program I was going to use for on stage then I found Stage TRAX in its early stages I helped develop Stage trax2 which ended up leaving Back Trax for dead and it still does I would still pay ten times more for Stage traxx2 , Stage TRAXX3 needs more thought by people that have greater logical thinking and on stage experience to make it pass the old version this will take time and might still never be as good if the wrong people are suggesting ideas that seem good but are not practical on stage.
As I am in the middle of building a house I am monitoring its progress and hope to have some input soon before things get beyond change.
Suggestion to Peter , double hit the volume bar to change from song volume to Master volume could greatly improve its on stage use.
Make it possible to change tempo in real time, suggestion, replace text size buttons with tempo change as an option , replace scroll speed buttons with pitch shift as an option, or any combination the user might want, make it possible to do this with foot control.
These changes would be the sort of thing that would start beating the old version.
Text size can be adjusted by pinching the screen so why have buttons, make it as you change text by pinching a text size display number pops up in corner to see a value and disappears after a few seconds of pinch release, that’s all we want ease of use and out of our face to get on with music, most heavy users have their text setup prior to performance and probably running with time code.
Damir Stage TRAXX3 needs more thought by people that have greater logical thinking and on stage experience to make it pass the old version this will take time and might still never be as good if the wrong people are suggesting ideas that seem good but are not practical on stage.
I always consider all suggestions and feature requests. But everyone should be aware that there is no single right way to perform on stage! What works for one does not work for someone else. The old playlist based model was working for a lot of users but did make problems for other users. The way I see it, the new queue based system has mostly advantages compared to the old system. I can't think about a single use case that does not work with the queue. If you think you have such a use case, please tell me and I will write how to achieve the same result with the queue.
Yes, you will need to adapt to the queue. It does absolutely not make any sense trying to use ST3 the same way you used ST2. But with only small changes to your workflow I am sure, you will see the benefit of the queue.
If changing the workflow is out of the question, then I suggest staying with ST2. If you do not update iOS that version will keep on working indefinitely.
Stage Trax is unique, why! It serves well a musician that plays an instrument,sings, and entertains as live as possible with flexibility while looking professional on stage.
I program my performance and prepare extra songs I know will get the crowd going I can change mood and atmosphere in real time my text is always time code synced.
This is all seamlessly achieved, by using my foot controller I can scroll through my playlist and choose next song, how do you achieve this in the new version without touching the IPad? Someone yells out a previously requested song I can foot scroll to this song again and interact with crowd as my existing song stops and just foot start the next song without touching the iPad and whammoo I am performing the requested song like Magic this seamless effort makes me a more professional on stage and is only possible due to the well thought of software, how can I do this in version 3 when the song disappears to another history page that is not accessible without touching the iPad, this is the sort of thing that makes stage Traxx a true on stage tool.
As I said if I had tempo change on foot control I would be happier with that than any other improvement like not needing iTunes library, yes it would be nice to improve these things but not at the cost of powerful on stage live features which I think we have lost in version 3.
You have lots of software choices if you want to finger control on stage it’s the foot control and easy one touch on screen useful on stage features that will make version 3 stand out.
I am positive I am talking on behalf of all instrument playing singers that can’t remember 200 songs lyrics.
you should not need to touch the iPad once you get on stage unless loading background music playlist , this works like a dream in version 2 you can seamlessly go to a break with all volumes and continue play settings in place step back on stage before the end of the now playing song select new playlist with its volume and all settings in place and whamoo! Your back performing effortlessly, IT JUST WORKS.
How do you do this in version 3?
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Damir This is all seamlessly achieved, by using my foot controller I can scroll through my playlist and choose next song, how do you achieve this in the new version without touching the IPad?
Why, the same es before, except that you now need 3 pedals: up, down and select.
Damir but not at the cost of powerful on stage live features which I think we have lost in version 3.
And which feature exactly is missing?
Damir this works like a dream in version 2 you can seamlessly go to a break with all volumes and continue play settings in place step back on stage before the end of the now playing song select new playlist with its volume and all settings in place and whamoo! Your back performing effortlessly, IT JUST WORKS.
How do you do this in version 3?
OK, I see. There are no volume settings for playlists. Everything else works like before: While a song is playing, you load another playlist that will replace the queue with the playlist. When song finishes, turn up the volume and you can start. You can also do this with pedals.
peter Damir, I am also a professional guitarist/solo artist that loved ST2 and have now switched to ST3. I have done around 60 gigs with no issues, never once had a crash. Peter has done an amazing job creating something that just works!
I have a AirTurn switch 6 which allows me to start/stop song, open song list, select next song I want to play, add song to cue list, and even toggle auto play all with my feet whilst playing guitar and singing. What more could you ask for? The only time I touch the iPad is to load a playlist. I don’t see what your problem is? Ok ST3 works different to ST2 but if you embrace the new way of doing things and buy a switch 6 you will get all that you desire. :-)
Fretwizard Hi Peter, after replying to Damir I thought I’d try something and have come across a little problem. As I said in my reply I can open song list with switch 6 foot pedal, scroll to select song and then add to cue list. However if the song list is on history tab I can’t scroll and add song to cue? It work on playlist tab, songs tab but not on the history tab. I’ve never tried this as I never repeat songs at a gig, I have too many good songs. Lol
Fretwizard also... peter, would it be possible that when you select auto play with foot switch that the auto play switch on the player screen toggles to on position? A visual prompt that it’s on or off would be fab as I accidentally switched it on the other week at a gig. Thanks.
Fretwizard Sorry peter one more thing, just noticed that double tap to start doesn’t seem to work with foot pedal. I have it on in the settings and it works with button on player screen but foot switch still stops with single tap?. Not a big deal for me as my switch 6 is in a logical position in my pedalboard where I can’t hit it by mistake Damir. ;-)
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Peter,would it be possible in settings to Turn on/off the Yellow Next icon in Playlist only.
That way those who wish to replicate Stagetraxx V2 can just stay in Playlist mode.
I know V2 had Play/Next feature but V3 seems to work differently.
Cheers Barry
It was, when I changed the device volume. B.T.W. I admire your patience, regarding many questions, which will be solved, if they tried different setups, in preferences. I found the double stop, immediately, genius of you, to have that option.
But, changing speed in real-time, should be veery good, especially, for musicians, who are playing for people dancing, and for Folkdance, where the tempo, is important.
I am very, very impressed, of your work. My worries, for a backup system, is solved, thanks to the ability, to use my iPhone, if the iPad, should crash.
Have a nice evening.
Greetings, from me.
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Fretwizard Sorry I mean double tap to stop doesn’t seem to work on foot pedal. :-)
Fretwizard However if the song list is on history tab I can’t scroll and add song to cue? It work on playlist tab, songs tab but not on the history tab.
I will take a look at it. Seems like a bug.
Fretwizard would it be possible that when you select auto play with foot switch that the auto play switch on the player screen toggles to on position?
Same as above.
Fretwizard Sorry peter one more thing, just noticed that double tap to start doesn’t seem to work with foot pedal.
There is no more double tap to start. It is only double tap to stop. And I have deliberately not enabled it for pedals as I thought that the chance to accidentaly hit a pedal is way lower than hitting the button on the screen. But if there is a consensus that double tap sould also affect pedal presses, I can add it.
Bazz02 Peter,would it be possible in settings to Turn on/off the Yellow Next icon in Playlist only.
You mean to hide it in queue view? I guess it does make sense showing it in all other views. I could do that, but personally I don't find it very distracting in the queue view.
Spelolle But, changing speed in real-time, should be veery good, especially, for musicians, who are playing for people dancing, and for Folkdance, where the tempo, is important.
I plan to add a popup window in the player where you can change speed, pitch and eq on the fly. But this will come most probably in 3.1. I really need to release this version after more than 6 months in testing 
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Thanks for your other comments. I think that version 3 really turned out great thanks to the massive amount of feedback I got from you guys. So thanks a lot for that! And the best thing is that the new version now has a good architecture which allows for lot of extensions in the future. There will be a lot coming in later feature releases for version 3.
Fretwizard thanks for that I must admit I have not spent much time experimenting with V3 ever since I couldn’t load my files in to it as expected I think this is fixed now so I might give it a more thorough test I still don’t want to leave V2 until all my needs are met and it’s proved itself a bit longer, but it’s good news that you are finding it useable on stage I am looking forward to live tempo/pitch change capability and volume change for songs/ master all on one page as I can’t do without my lyrics disappearing.
Hi Peter, sorry mate I am confused to where I should be posting what, I thought once I was in V3 I could access the feedback forum through settings, then I tried BETA that didn’t allow me to post so I tried general which apparently isn’t the correct spot either, I just want to give you my first contact to V3 feedback as this is the most valuable feedback once you settle in to a program you can not see the faults as easily and you end up with an average program.
I don’t know if any of my feedback has got to you as you are bombarded with comments from everyone but I do want V3 to be better than V2 I still can’t say I like it more but you are getting there, if you look at it from start to now it is starting to look and feel more like the old version but with more power behind it how you unleash that power is the determining factor if its going to be a great tool on stage.
I will give you my honest feedback once V3 is up and running I can see you have plenty of support in ideas
Cheers Damir
