Just new to ST3. I won’t be gigging with it until I’ve cracked everything I need.
So I imported 10 tracks or so and married them up with text lyrics. I edited a couple of them, sorting the layout, chords and adding midi messages. All working fine. Then I thought I’d tidy up the files folder on the iPad. I thought it a great idea to create folders and drag the mp3s and lyrics into separate folders. This is because I want to have 2 versions of each song(I’d obviously give them a different file name etc.
So I go to play a track and it tells me the mp3 is missing. Every mp3 in the play window is not accessible.
So I go to my tracks folder, click on it and it creates another song title. Both tracks, of the same title will now play the mp3. One with my edited lyrics, the ‘new’ one with no lyrics. When I delete the ‘new’ track the original will not play.
I take it, you can’t file your tracks into a folder.
But where are the edited lyrics saved. Also It looks like you can’t add the edited lyric to another track. I don’t want to start deleting my edited lyrics after the time spent.
That’s it for now. Still a great app, although not gig ready.

    Stikmaster Hi Stikmaster, i felt the same way the first time ST3 was created, the ST3 folder was not very understandable and simple to use, unfortunately we have to work around that, the only way to access your lyrics is selecting a song going to its edit lyrics folder select all copy and paste to another place, thats it, no other way, its fine if you just work simply and with no different versions of songs or different language versions and perhaps your own version of the lyrics, it works but its time consuming and limited.
    Its a pitty it doasnt work in a more flexible way, but good things take time just like queu its great for a few but the majority will find the good old playlists have a lot more benefits.
    This also applies to multitrack, its fantastic , but who ever uses it heavely will find the folder system will soon become very clattered with all the multitrack audio files residing in one folder for all the songs, just imagine how many bass guitar/drum tracks etc you will end up having 300 tracks times 6 thats 1800 files and most with similar names, a folder for every song with its 6 or so multitracks residing simply in the multitrack master folder makes more sense, that way you export your multitrack song to a song folder place this folder to the st3 multitrack master folder, then go through the loading process makes a lot more sense, you can then import all your multitrack songs at once then simply create multitrack songs in the existing way.
    This should apply to text lyrics/chords and PDFs a one way to operate for all file formats, no confusion and much quicker way to manipulate the files , a way most of us are use to working.
    So i do sypathise with you, but we are very lucky we have the on stage tool we have so perhaps in time things will be improved as they say good things take time.

      Songs are just database entries in Stage Traxx and so are lyrics edited in Stage Traxx. Each song points to a mp3 file in the Stage Traxx folder. When you import a song into Stage Traxx it copies the audio file into the Stage Traxx folder.

      If you then move it somewhere else, the app can no longer locate that file. Importing the same file located within a subfolder will again copy it into the main folder so that the old song now again is able to locate that file.

      Bottom line: don't move audio files within the Stage Traxx folder if you don't want to break something. And the same applies to PDF files. The only type of files you are allowed to move around freely are backup files.

      One more thing: You have now the situation that 2 songs are sharing a file. And that means when you delete a song, that file will also be deleted and the other song will no longer play. To correct this, copy the file somewhere safe, then delete the duplicate song and then move the file back into the Stage Traxx folder.

      Hi ….thanks Damir and Peter.
      To be honest I’m not following all of this. However I’m going to start again. As I’ve just discovered I can attach pdf to the song(which I already new).
      My pdfs have the lyrics and chords, so they are ready to read…
      Now my light on moment was when I found you could also add text file with midi information. I’ve just got home from a gig and tried it. Wow…I can read my pdf and on playback it reads the midi information on the text.
      Problem solved.
      So tomorrow I’m going to add a bunch of tunes, duplicate them with a different prefix, ( for different band personnel)…add the pdfs…. copy and paste midi information to both versions. Then see what the filing system looks like.
      And it maybe a good idea to make up playlists, one for SOLO….one for BAND. And as long as the file names are different, hopefully that might work.
      Keep up the good work Peter.

        You might want to look at the tutorial video #2. It explains how to work with keywords. That might be preferable to using setlists for categorizing songs to different projects.

        Stikmaster my suggestion before spending any more time, really get to know the Power and possabilities of ST3 because you can do so many things with it in different ways, then make your best choice of operation, after all these years i am still finding how to do things slightly differently to save time in preperation and ease of on stage use.
        I maily run with stereo backing tracks and lyrics/chords display, but even this can be done in so many ways and each way has its advantage and disadvantage, i am perfectly happy on stage with ST3 its the prep of lyrics/ chords that needs some fixing the conceipt is fine but slight inputing of timecode is my main gripe when using chords above lyrics.
        Good luck!

            Damir thanks Damir. I’ll let you know how I get on.
            I work totally live, solo with tracks and in a residency with keyboard player and tracks. So that is my aim in the next week or so, to get hundreds of songs into ST3 and catalogue them for easy access.

                Stikmaster yes i understand now, before ST3 i ran Yamaha Tyros 2 with midi files
                And lyrics and chords displayed on rgb 15 inch monitors this worked really well as i could create 4 loop return points and having midi it was all synced up using bars of music, it was absolutely perfect, but still bulky and i always had to be behind a large keyboard seperating me from my audiance and restricted my on stage movement, ST3 is almost perfect now totally replacing $7000 bucks of bulky equipment, but i still miss my 4 loop points.
                I definitely dont miss mucking about with midi editing which is a language of its own.
                I am soooo happy with ST3 and am sure you will be too, just make sure you start the right way otherwise you will spend a lot of time redoing things.
                All the best.

                  Another way is to actually embed the lyrics in the mp3 file, that way if you move the file then the lyrics will always still be attached to it, plus if you decide to use other software then the lyrics will still be with the song. I use Kid3 on Mac to attach my lyrics and edit my mp3 tags etc as well (for easier searching). Its an absolute breeze as I can copy and paste the lyrics right into the app, job done and dusted.

                    DaveT thanks DaveT. I’m just having a look at kid3 now.
                    So you are saying tag the lyrics with the mp3 before you import into ST3 ?
                    This will then become one file ?
                    Any particular site to downloading it from. .?
                    Thanks again.

                      Yes, but Stage Traxx will only display lyrics embedded in mp3 files if you did not edit lyrics for that song within Stage Traxx. If you did, you will need to reset lyrics for each song.

                      Another issue is that you can not easily timecode your lyrics in another app.

                      Apart from that you can use any tag editor to add lyrics to an mp3. Even iTunes can do it.

                        peter i found, The fastest way to do things is just load an audio file and use the lyrics editor in ST3 itself, otherwise you will spend time in another app but still have to spend time in ST3 to get it perfect so i just do it all in ST3, but i will also checkout kid3 software to see what possibly it can do for me to save me time.
                        So far these are the apps i use on the ipad to help me speed things up without involving my imac.
                        Twisted Wave -- is excellent to tidy up my audio files, this is another serious app.
                        Chord ai -- i use to easily find cords when i havent got a guitar handy, great help and pritty accurate for my requirement to enter chords to ST3.The beauty of it it comes on my iphone as well, just activate the mic place it next to the ipad and let it listen as you go along the chord editing process and it just displays your required chords as you are moving slowly along the slow chord entering process.Its primitive but it works fast, well much faster than i can enter and position accuratery the chords.
                        Cubasis -- i can use to create audio backing tracks but i find Logic pro on the imac is easier.
                        Thanks

                          Last night I started from scratch. An empty ST3.
                          I imported 20 or so tracks, (each one duplicated, as I want two versions of each song),into the app.
                          Gave each one a colour, suffix, and keyword…..
                          red…S….SOLO, for solo version….
                          Blue…. B…BAND, for band version …
                          Shared the pdfs from another app on both versions of each song.
                          Now all I need to do is enter midi information where necessary.
                          It will obviously take a while as there are hundreds of songs.
                          Jobs a goodun.

                          Great! But don't forget to create backups each time you make big changes. And store those backups on your computer.

                          Old admin saying is: no backup, no mercy 😉

                            peter thanks Peter..don’t worry though…..learnt my lesson years ago. Constantly save, especially when I’m recording tracks.
                            Keep up the great work. We musicians really do appreciate it.