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Damir

peter No because this is also the place to load a pdf and delete a pdf. It is not only used to edit a pdf document like the lyrics editor.

I disagree , PDF document, really means nothing, it does nothing to suggest you can edit your pdf or load or delete there.
Edit pdf says something or at least PDF Editor , states that you can do something there like edit and everyone knows part of any edit system load, save, are standard functions available there.

I would actually prefer this.

LYRICS EDITOR
PDF EDITOR

Damir

PDF CLEAR update, i can confirm it is the type of saved PDF that determines how this function operates, you need to save your pdf in this format so the clear does not get rid of your pdf data as well as your scribbles. GOOD TO KNOW before you create hundreds of pdfs.

peter

Damir Hm, why don't you edit your documents in Pages or Word and just export them as PDF? You seem to be using a PDF editor to create your documents from scratch. I have never seen anyone doing this. PDF editors are usually only used to add a bit of annotations to documents.

PDF has not been designed to be an editable document format. It is an interchange format. See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF

If you only need formatted text, create your documents in Word or Pages. If you have music sheets use something like Sibelius, Finale or Musescore. This will ensure that your document will stay editable. Only export PDF to use in other apps like Stage Traxx but never use PDF as the master format.

Damir

peter thanks Peter i will look at all your suggestions, i have tried word on ipad but i believe it is a subscription app , and my no one rule is never use subscription apps, ok netflix is the only one but as a general thing all my apps are once off purchases so if you know of a good word replacement let me know Pages i will try asp.

DickyDutch i used word years ago when ipads werent around on my imac now since i use my ipad to virtually do everything on apart from complex audio creation, i have been using Notepad as its just powerfull enough to manipulate lyrics with chords above, i dont use word on ipad as it is a prescription app to get full benefits, unfortunately Notepad is not PDF friendly.
I find for what i need which is lyrics with chords above cut and paste is the fastest way to end up with a finished product, and because i can change key and all chords update on the run it is more pwerful than PDF. PDF is great if you need to mark up a page afterwards but i normally dont as i do a lot of my prep work at home , i love the TEMPO the most as this is really great to be able to manipulate on the run and it works perfect, changing pitch is not something i use greatly live as i have already done the prep but every so often my voice gets tired and i choose a song that just pushes me to the edge so a quick pitch shift saves the day, love it.
Hopefully i will find a good PDF Program that will work for me, but i need to experiment to see which system is faster to use and what benefits are more advantageous for me, some things i can not do without.It would be great to be able to time select in PDFs , i normally dont want to manually chase audio sync, but when going fully live i need a lyrics system that gives me absolute freedom and quick access to any points in my song by a simple foot switch or screen switch.
I can see ST3 the only app you need if performing live its getting there and i love it.
Its the only app i would buy another ipad for just to have it as a full backup, fortunately my iphone 11 is just as powerful and a great backup where it would save the day if needed.

DickyDutch

In support of what Peter has posted I prepare my lyrics sheets in ‘Word’ which are my masters. I use a personalised standard template so they all look and feel similar. I can then either copy and paste the text into STAGETRAXX lyrics editor or create pdfs for lyrics only songs. Being able to mark up these pdfs on the fly (when say rehearsing where e.g. you may find that perhaps the lyrics are slightly wrong or a different arrangement in preferred) is very useful. In slower time I then go back and update the word master and reload to STAGETRAXX. I don’t usually time code lyrics until the very end when I’m totally happy with the arrangement and chord positioning etc. This works well for me.

peter

Damir so if you know of a good word replacement let me know Pages i will try asp

Go with Pages it is really great. Although I mostly use it on the Mac and not on the iPad. In my opinion Word is only necessary when you need to be compatible to other Word users. Everyone else can use Pages or something like OpenOffice.

Hshevitz Not much call for the PDF feature for me at this time, but it seems to work okay, but it would more useful for me if there was a way to use at least the auto scrolling with it.

Autoscrolling is already possible for PDF files. Please take a look at the first posting in this thread on how to use it.

Hshevitz

Hi all! There is so much dialog going on that it's hard to follow all the details, so I'll probably be the "lite" user in this.

The "Coarse tuning" feature works for me! Cool!

I'm really able to use the "Lyrics" type of song now as it lets me set the duration and then by using plain text I can either implement scrolling or use the internal time stamp functionality while playing back in the "Edit Lyrics" section. I think that will work well for me.

Not much call for the PDF feature for me at this time, but it seems to work okay, but it would more useful for me if there was a way to use at least the auto scrolling with it.

That's all from me today

Damir

Hshevitz communication is the key in creating good software

Damir

peter just checked Pages and yes it is a much better option for PDFs i have added it to my arsenal, thanks for that and for the link to PDF info, great help to know more about PDF which is a very pwerfull tool if using photos, video etc i always wondered how these things were done.

Hshevitz

peter Thanks, I'll check it out and confirm from my end!

Hshevitz

peter I did check it out and it seems (correct me if I'm wrong) but for a basic user I would like to see the actual auto scrolling work with the scrolling speed buttons or a less cumbersome way to set time stamps based on the contents of the PDF. Just sayin!

Damir

Autoscrolling is already possible for PDF files. Please take a look at the first posting in this thread on how to use it.

I read it but dont understand it, is it as simple as Lyrics only, you just select a time and it just scrolls to end of PDFs, if so, it does not seem to work, i have tried entering a time, the display bar moves correctly but the pdf does not move on screen to represent the time setting, it just jumps to the next song when it reaches the end.
I expect it to work the same as Lyrics Only if its something different its then just too hard to use.

peter

Damir I read it but dont understand it, is it as simple as Lyrics only, you just select a time and it just scrolls to end of PDFs, if so, it does not seem to work

Works fine, write [pdf@00:10.00: page1.5] and it will scroll to the middle of page 1 at time 0:10.

Hshevitz I did check it out and it seems (correct me if I'm wrong) but for a basic user I would like to see the actual auto scrolling work with the scrolling speed buttons

This will not work for anyone who is using pdf sheets and not just simple text because sheets are not read in a linear fashion from top to bottom but you also need to jump back on repeat signs. Therefore automatic scrolling without timecodes like in text based lyrics is not active for PDF songs.

Hshevitz or a less cumbersome way to set time stamps based on the contents of the PDF

If you have any concrete suggestions please tell me. In my opinion the current approach is really quick to setup and works reliably. Keep in mind, that with PDF files you don't scroll as much as with text based lyrics.

Damir In SONG, If you double tap on a LYRICS ONLY OR PDF song without a time setting the lyrics dispay window does not open automatically as expected if set that way in settings.

Right, I will take a look at it. Not sure though if this is possible as the setting is called "Open lyrics on play" and you can not play a lyrics only song without a time set.

EDIT: I checked and it will not work. A double tap triggers play. And play on a lyrics only song without a time will advance to the next song. So even if I enable the open lyrics function for play this type of song you will just see the lyrics of the next song. So either you add a time for all your lyrics only songs or you just tap on the song title in the player to open lyrics.

I don't want a delete pdf button in the pdf editor. And a redo for clear is not needed as you already have a cancel button just beside it.

Damir

Hshevitz totaly agree i love ease simplicity consistancy and speed not the drug.
Anything that stresses my brain cells is regarded as poor software design.

Damir

Hi Peter i think i found an inconsistancy,
In SONG, If you double tap on a LYRICS ONLY OR PDF song without a time setting the lyrics dispay window does not open automatically as expected if set that way in settings.
If you have set a time scroll on these files the double tap on the songs now they work as expected.

Damir

Things that could be better. CORRECTION- Not having REDO is really limiting.

Damir

peter thanks Peter I was expecting those answers as I suspected the reasons why things didn’t work the way that they should, it’s not a problem for me.
The PDF auto scroll is understandable as well, I just wanted to point out how things could be a lot simpler if a different approach was used.
Entering complicated data to achieve simple tasks makes the user not use this function.
As long as the PDF users are happy i really don’t need pdfs so I’m fine with it, I just want to make sure whatever is tacked on to ST3 is user friendly.

Damir

peter Works fine, write [pdf@00:10.00: page1.5] and it will scroll to the middle of page 1 at time 0:10.

Thats good it works, if i was 20 again i might use it but at 62 i might give it a miss as its too time consuming.

Damir

Inconsistancy examples,

When i hit reset lyrics everything dissapeared is this actually a clear lyrics?
When i hit LOAD a file and want to see all my lyrics i have stored in ST3 , where is the LYRICS FOLDER IN ST3? I can find PDF, and MULTITRACK, folder but no Lyrics.
I found a Lyrics folder in ST2 was that always there or did i perhaps create this folder myself i cant remember now its been too long ago.
It seems to make sense to have that available , unless theres a technical reason its not there.

Heres an example of streamlined work flow i expect from complicated software folder system, or something similar.
This gives easy access on first page of ST3 Folder to all important sections the backups are easily found as they are not cluttered with stereo files, everything is just where you expect it to be logical consistant work flow, no confusion or time wasting.

Damir

I don't want a delete pdf button in the pdf editor. And a redo for clear is not needed as you already have a cancel button just beside it.

You miss my point, your way is innoficient and unclear, yes it works but it is not user friendly, if there is a technical reason thats fine otherwise it makes no sense to have to work harder when it could be easier.

When you are editing PDF you should not have to leave this area to delete and then load again, Cancel, exit, reenter to simply redo.
Cancle should be exit page and a popup window prompting do you want to save changes this is consitant with other setting windows.
A simple load and redo on the same page you are working in is a lot faster bypasses a number of unnecessary steps and creates a simpler workflow. Lyrics only has this yet PDFs dont, its inconsistant and confusing, unless its a technical thing it makes no sense.
Just pointing it out i wont be affected.

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