JTW Could you please make a short video on how to add a simple (1 2 3 4 intro count-in) using the timed lyrics feature?

There is no simple way to do this , as you need to have blank space on the song, and even if you have a blank space there is no accurate way of entering the timecode data, unless you create an accurate audio click count then you use that as a guide to timecode the count in, I have done this to a number of my songs initially but found this to be still hit and miss, so now I don’t use this method , I find it easier to have an instant start on everything , this works better and it takes no time to create, but because I am usually a solo performer I don’t need the visual count as much as if you have other members, that’s why we are asking for a visual count in as an accurate guide to the actual start that takes no time to create by the user, just like in real life bands where a person counts out loud 3 2 1 and off you go performing to whatever tempo or beat it might be, exactly like drag racing red, yellow, green and go for it at whatever speed you can achieve.
This principal works so why not use it in ST3.
Cheers Damir

Lightbulb moment!
Perhaps have a red yellow green circle appear on centre lyrics screen with 3 2 1 within the circles for colour blind people to indicate exact start point.

    You could use some math to get the right timing for your counts. To get the duration of a single count (beat) in seconds use this formula: 60 / bpm

    Example:
    With 120 bpm each beat has a duration of 60 / 120 = 0.5 seconds. So a count in would look like: [00:00.0]1 [00:00.5]2 [00:01.0]3 [00:01.5]4 and your song should start at 2 seconds.

      peter thanks Peter you genious, im a simple musician than can count to four if im lucky.

        i have recorded drum clicks in different BPM i use audacity which is free app load your song then just copy and paste your count in to the beginning of your track and save it in what ever format and bit rate you want

        i have recorded drum clicks in different BPM i use audacity which is free app load your song then just copy and paste your count in to the beginning of your track and save it in what ever format and bit rate you want Audacity is a great audio track editing tool i use it all the time for levelling volumes ,graphics, speeds etc and very simple to use

          davedroug i have recorded drum clicks in different BPM i use audacity which is free app load your song then just copy and paste your count in to the beginning of your track and save it in what ever format and bit rate you want Audacity is a great audio track editing tool i use it all the time for levelling volumes ,graphics, speeds etc and very simple to use

          I think your method of fixing this particular need is great and i also use Audacity for a lot of my quick editing needs as its a great program that works on PC and Mac , and your work around is a nice one, but i feel as though we should not have to do any of that especially people that are not that computer savy, all we are asking for is a simple visual quide to the actual start point, just like in real life band starts where a member yells out 3 4 and off you go the whole band starts , this has no relevance to the tempo or type of beat it just gives us the accurate start point.
          This could be easily incorporated in to the delay start function , so when we program the delay start we are actually programing a visual prompt as well where we get quided to the start point, this would not involve much effort to create yet would give us a very easy to use count in .
          As i use a delayed start already so i can position my right hand to my guitar as i hit start button a nice 3 2 1 on screan would simply give me an accurate start point, i dont need anything else, as all my lyrics are line synced and i have my ears that can hear the backing track i dont need to spend hours extra to create a click in front of all my files.
          All my files are edited to be instant start for very good reason on stage as sometimes i want a very instant start i actually dont want any delay at all as i start but because of the hand positioning issue i use the delay start, i know i can use foot pedal to instantly start but sometimes i do not use the foot pedal i actually use my finger on ipad.
          Smaller quick gigs i dont use any remotes.
          So it would be nice to just engage this function for smaller gigs and disable it for larger gigs where i dont touch the ipad at all.

            god man you don't half make things complicated for yourself lol

              davedroug

              davedroug god man you don't half make things complicated for yourself lol

              My explanation might seem complicated but the way I run things is a lot simpler than you I don’t have a click track I don’t need to edit anything in front of any of my songs I just have a clean no gap instant start to all my songs and clean tight endings so they all just seamlessly string together with no surprises on stage.
              All I’m wanting is a visual count on screen to guide me to the actual start if I have introduced a delay start on all my songs, it’s a very simple request and something that would be very helpful for people that run simply and don’t want to waste time editing stuff that doesn’t really need to be done.
              I hope that’s a simpler explanation.
              Cheers Damir

                  9 days later

                  I'd be interested in what ended up as the best solution. I too would've liked some visual click track. Large numbers while the song is playing for a period of time would've been a cool solution. I get my count in at the start of my backtrack, I start playing and on screen I'd see a visual indicator for timing.

                  I'm using a line array PA, so no requirement for a monitor as the PA is behind me and I hear all I need. But those songs that have a guitar intro (I play guitar) and no other instruments I haven't figured out best way to go.

                  @davedroug don't suppose you'd share your drum clicks? That may work well for me as an alternate idea.

                    tjyoung I think either having some in ears with a click or start the backing track when it's due to start, not at the beginning of the song perhaps.

                        Lishy HI, I hadn't really considered that idea (edit the tune to remove the time at the beginning until 'the band' comes in. Going to ponder that one a bit. Thanks for the suggestion! I thought about the ears but I"m really trying to simplify my setup and rely on as little as possible. Monitors are just another fail point I'm hoping to avoid. 🙂

                            tjyoung no worries glad to help. By the way, do you not run into feedback issues having the PA behind you and the microphone?

                                tjyoung HI, I hadn't really considered that idea (edit the tune to remove the time at the beginning until 'the band' comes in. Going to ponder that one a bit. Thanks for the suggestion! I thought about the ears but I"m really trying to simplify my setup and rely on as little as possible. Monitors are just another fail point I'm hoping to avoid. 🙂

                                I agree theres nothing like keeping it simple, it never lets you down and is a lot more spontaneous on stage and keeps the audience engaged.
                                Why have a click when you have a backing track to use as a click , why create a beginning click when you could have a visual simple 3 4 visual cue start.
                                As a SOLO artist it creates way too much work for an unnecessary result , and ST3 is basically aimed at the solo or small band performers which require efficiency.

                                  Lishy tjyoung no worries glad to help. By the way, do you not run into feedback issues having the PA behind you and the microphone?

                                  Hi Lishy, for a lot of my medium to small gigs I do the same as TJyoung with my PA setup behind me , It works rally well to a certain point, it all depends on a number of things how well it works, if you have a cardioid microphone with a reasonably good flat frequency response and a PA system that also has the same characteristics then you have a good chance the system will produce a good solid power output to the audience without feedback and you will get plenty of fold back as well, but if you really need lots of power to the audience then no matter what you need a fold back system of some kind and the speakers need to be further forward.
                                  I setup my system as the venue requirement if it’s really small I use one side of my PA which consists of a Yamaha 12 inch 1000w top and a Yamaha 12inch 1000w sub it’s small compact yet kicks ass even when it’s directly behind me, then I introduce my other side if the venue is larger but still both sides behind me but spread out a bit this allows a lot more power to audience yet enough for me to hear without having feedback problems , then if it’s a reasonably large place that’s spread out I place both sides to front of stage use a powered monitor which I just tack on to one side of my front house speaker and set a level that is well blended to the front house with my 4000w of front house and 600w of fold back I can do quite a lot of larger gigs without a problem and the whole setup is relatively simple using a small Yamaha 10 Chanel mixer.
                                  So in a nutshell, yes having speakers behind you works really well to a certain point.
                                  But get a good PA and a Good microphone.
                                  Cheers Damir.

                                    Lishy using my HK12 column array, not really an issue for a smaller type pub. Great actually