Tap Tempo is permanent

scottm747

I’ve noticed that when using tap tempo it is permanent ie it doesn’t revert to what’s saved next time you load the song. If you accidentally tap a new tempo it will override the saved tempo. If you can’t remember the original tempo there’s a problem. Is there any way of having an option to revert the tempo? Or if you reload the song the saved tempo repopulates?

peter

Isn't the point of the tap tempo button to change the tempo? An accidental hit on the button does not change tempo, so you have to accidentally hit it multiple times within a certain timespan to change tempo. And then it will of course update the song tempo.

scottm747

peter I guess I don’t understand how users will use this feature? Do some users not define a tempo in the song settings? I have a tempo in every song settings and can’t see a use for tapping a new one. You’re right, an accidental double tap is unlikely.

Damir

peter Isn't the point of the tap tempo button to change the tempo? An accidental hit on the button does not change tempo, so you have to accidentally hit it multiple times within a certain timespan to change tempo. And then it will of course update the song tempo.

Yes it’s quite safe, that’s not a great problem but the fact you can’t accurately set the tempo is a problem because setting it by tapping is very hard to achieve a definite setting , so it forces you to go to song Detail anyway, perhaps if somehow we can set an accurate tempo it would make it a nice spot to do that instead of searching for this, especially if you are deep in a different setting area you need to hunt for the TEMPO as it’s also hidden lower down in Song Detail.
I like it as you have it apart from that.

peter

I for example only set tempo on some songs and then I like being able to do that directly in the mixer. Another advantage is that when I change the tempo, I can immediately see the effect on bpm. But if others feel this is too dangerous, I can remove the button from the mixer.

Damir

peter I for example only set tempo on some songs and then I like being able to do that directly in the mixer. Another advantage is that when I change the tempo, I can immediately see the effect on bpm. But if others feel this is too dangerous, I can remove the button from the mixer.

Yes its nice to see it but i just touched it and yes it changed my tempo to a very low figure and i forgot what it was so i had to redo it, perhaps have it as a visual thing near the speed fader, but leave it to be set in the song settings and i would also like to see in the region editor so we can easily set the tempo in that screen as it sets our grid up , this would be more handy to create in the one window.
Initially i thought it was really handy on the mixer, but in the mixer you cant precisely set your tempo numerically anyway but you can accidentally change it.

peter

OK, anyone who wants the tap tempo button remove, upvote this thread.

Damir

peter perhaps leave it for now and time will tell , there’s a lot more important stuff to fix.

Damir

peter OK, anyone who wants the tap tempo button remove, upvote this thread.

I just saw a thread where a drummer is requesting a simple click track to keep him in time , perhaps leaving it as is some might use the mixer with click only fader and a way to program the tempo on the run for every song they play.
Perhaps make the mixer configure itself to what is actually programmed for every song .
No audio no faders, but the click fader
Add one stereo track , you get faders on mixer for that .
Add more than one audio track you get the whole multitrack setup on mixer.
That way everyone gets what they need simply.

AnthonyB

Tap tempo isn't a feature I use, but my expectations would be that:

It is a temporary tempo setting,
Just for that song,
Just for that iteration/instance (i.e. until you change to another song, and then it is lost)
If there is a tempo stored in the Song Details, it does not over-write/update that field. If you want to permanently update the tempo of a song, then go and update the Song BPM field.

But I guess we all have differrent assumptions and expectations based on previous experiences, so mine might be different to other people's.

Insofar as the location of the tap tempo button on the mixer, it seems quite 'out of the way' to me (at least based on Build 1876 UI) from the perspective of being concerned about accidently hitting it. In fact, I was half-expecting to see people who regularly use it wanting it to be available somewhere on the main UI, e.g. available as an Assignable Button (which it doesn't seem to be?).

Damir

AnthonyB I like your thinking , being a temporary change on the mixer and permanent in song settings , in actual fact I would like that also available as a permanent setting in AUDIO SEGMENT EDITOR (loop editor) because when I load a song I go straight to the editor to create loops and having a tempo set there is very practical as it sets up your grid editor correctly so everything you need to do is in one place .
To take it further, if I only needed click as a guide with no backing at all my mixer would only have a master click volume knob and the set tempo that is very large and easy to hit nothing else you don’t need speed or pitch or any other faders as there is no audio involved.
Just throwing ideas around.

scottm747

AnthonyB exactly what I envisaged!