Lyric highlighting

royandreno

Damir This is not only my opinion, quite a few others share my view, as you can see above.
Again, you have to butt in on everything here. You just can’t help yourself, can you? Incredible.

MarkGuitar

I just sat and ran through a bunch of songs with timed lyrics and I have to say I think @royandreno is right (along with others who feel the same way)
It feels wrong, even off-putting, that throughout the majority of the song, your eye goes to a certain point on the screen and then near the end, the highlighted lyrics are in a different place and in fact gradually work their way continuously down the screen.
Personally, I try to learn the lyrics if I am singing (which isn’t often, so easy for me to say) but the singers in our band like to have the lyrics available just in case. And they both agree that what they need is for the ‘current’ lyrics to be in the same place throughout the song and to not have to ‘scan down’ the screen to find where the lyrics are. It is only fractions of a second I know, but when just flicking their eyes to the screen for a quick reminder, the need to know where to look in an instant. Being highlighted is ok but if they move around it still takes longer than it should to track them.
I guess if you are just staring at the screen and reading it like the page of a book, it’s ok to follow the text down, but that is not how it works for us and I guess most others that are performing live and trying not to sit fixed staring at the screen.
As for the lyrics creeping down being useful to indicate the end of the song, I don’t agree. And anyway, the top panel flashes brightly near the end, you can hardly miss that.
So this request definitely gets my vote.

Damir

Reporting Xfade works now.

MarkGuitar I just sat and ran through a bunch of songs with timed lyrics and I have to say I think @royandreno is right (along with others who feel the same way)

Yes i agree, so is the way the song starts at the top and moves to the middle of the screen as the original setting is set to middle of screen.This was known as an issue in ST3 but we are living with it.Perhaps the top view selection can be set to always stay there as the excuse in ST3 was the way the programming software is, it cant be done , maybe it can be done now as i believe Peter is using different programming method , only he knows.

Damir

MarkGuitar I just sat and ran through a bunch of songs with timed lyrics and I have to say I think @royandreno is right (along with others who feel the same way)
It feels wrong, even off-putting, that throughout the majority of the song, your eye goes to a certain point on the screen and then near the end, the highlighted lyrics are in a different place and in fact gradually work their way continuously down the screen.

Hi Mark, i also agree with you, as i was the one that pointed out the bad logic of the manual scroll to Peter i was not expecting that by fixing that issue it would change the auto scroll logic, i did try to explain to Peter that he fixed one problem but caused a change to auto scroll , i actually use auto scroll for all my songs but on occasions i manually scroll to get to a different point in a song and use different lyrics on the audio backing , i found if you quickly scroll to the end you end up with no lyrics , this is why i wanted that fixed so i can cofidently scroll to end without overshooting the end.
Unfortunately this fix has also affected the auto scroll, i thought the software was going to allow us to keep our old auto scroll logic and only effect the manual scroll, but that was not the case , so in some way i have shot myself in the foot.
The PDF users like it as its safer and the guys that finger scroll their lyrics like it but now i have to follow the lyrics down the screen and yes it changes the eyeline , after using it for a while i got use to it and it always warns me i am coming to the end, and if i pause after the ending reverb i still have the lyrics to repeat the last bit of the song if needed, you could say these are some positives from a negative that was not meant to be.
If you use middle of screen setting, then you also have the same problem of following the lyrics in the begining of the song from the Top to the middle.
Ah thats life!
Peter told me he cant make both methods work its one or the other, i am not fussed but i think Peter prefers it as he is a PDF user.
Thats a long explanation of what happened.

MarkGuitar

Damir ok, thanks for the background.
I hope that this major re-write will enable Peter to fix this. It’s not a show-stopper but having text lyrics behave more intuitively would sure make them easier to read as the song approaches the end.

Damir

MarkGuitar I think we have a much bigger problem with the audio engine , I am finding it very unstable , with audio dropouts and just now a multitrack song won’t open up the audio segment editor, my iPad is just generating a waveform message that’s stuck on the screen , it looks as though stereo songs load in but multitracks don’t, probably because it doesn’t know which track to use to form a waveform, just guessing, Peter must be pulling his hair out,
I won’t report any more stuff till the audio is sorted.
But I like a lot of the interface improvements we just need to make the overall interface user friendly simple yet powerful It’s going to be tough beating ST3 but I’m sure if we all pitch in some way we will end up with great bit of gear as long as Peter doesn’t go bonkers in the process.

peter

OK guys, I'm convinced. I will just revert the change I made and I will also revert it in ST3 in the next update. Both ST3 and ST4 will behave exactly as before.

peter

Damir Please create a new thread. Don't hijack this thread again.

peter

The old behaviour is now restored in build 1832.

MarkGuitar

peter
Thank you. I will download and test it now. You have made our singers very happy! 😃

royandreno

peter Thank you.

Neill00

As someone who plays with a live band using backing tracks occasionally for some songs I would like a 3rd option for the scroll positing ie: top, 1/3 or centred. If not playing to a click there’s a chance to get a little ahead or behind the scroll. I want to be able to see a bit of the lyrics above the scroll position in case we get behind but it’s more likely that you end up ahead of the scroll so I’d like to see more under the current position therefore the 1/3 option would be a good option. Also I would like it to snap to the chosen position even if you only insert a time code at the beginning of each paragraph. I currently have the centre lyric position selected and if I have a time code for each line the current line is in the centre of the screen but if I put the time code at the beginning of each paragraph it snaps to the top.

MarkGuitar

Neill00 I currently have the centre lyric position selected and if I have a time code for each line the current line is in the centre of the screen but if I put the time code at the beginning of each paragraph it snaps to the top.

Hey Neil. I am using a similar setup and it works fine for me. See screenshot

I am using the latest beta (1832) and running on an iPad Pro 18.6.2

I have the Lyrics set to Centred and the auto scroll position also set to Centre. And I have my time code marker on the title of each section in the lyric edito, see screenshot for an example.

So maybe some other settings or config on your device? What are you using?

BTW, I agree, 1/3 screen position would be even better, some time in the future maybe.

Neill00

MarkGuitar thanks for the reply, what i have figured out is that the last line of the paragraph is what ends snaps to the centre of the screen, so if it’s only 2 lines, it’s not at the top. Can you think of some setting that would cause that?

Sharonzaz

peter Understand, so you would like to get back the behaviour of ST3 before the change to not scroll over the end of the lyrics, right?

yes please

Sharonzaz

peter

I def vote for ST3 behavior. One of the things i like about it is not needing to put my ipad high to hide my tummy, guitar (from the crowd - I really not like when musicians block their view with a tablet or worse, laptop right in front of them) etc. I keep it low and my eye when i need to ''remember a line'' on need to look quick on the top of the ipad.

that, an the fact that if i need to raise the fader on a track towards the end of the song (happens) i will not where i am in the lyrics if me old brain suddenly forgets.

If i need to add 30 lines ill do it, but why break something that works well?

center line can have that behavior, no?

Sharonzaz

Ok obviously I didn’t see the new version, can report it is back to normal for the lyrics thank you Peter 🙏

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