Get rid of Autoscroll delay?

Damir

peter Without timecodes autoscroll will make sure that you see the bottom of your lyrics when you reach the end of the playback duration

This should also apply to manual scrolling, at the moment it scrolls to top of page , which is a pain when manually scrolling to the end of lyrics.

peter

What do you mean by that Damir?

Damir

peter What do you mean by that Damir?

When I go it to manual scroll and finger swipe to end of song my lyrics scroll right to the top of screen, this is not ideal as you want the lyrics to stop at the bottom of screen for the reason you want to see as much of the ending lyrics as possible.
I think I know why it’s doing this.
In automated mode I like my highlighted lyrics to be on top of screen as I don’t need lyrics already sung, I think this is the reason in manual mode this is also the stop point of end of lyrics.
But this is not the correct logic , when I enter manual mode means I don’t need synced lyrics and I don’t want my lyrics to end off screen , so when I swipe up manually aggressively as I need my end lyrics I want the end lyrics to stop at the bottom of screen , I don’t want to end up with no lyrics in view due the fact I chose my automated lyrics to highlight at the top of screen.
I hope I have made it clear enough for you to fix this as it is a real pain when swiping manually to end of lyrics.

Hi Peter I just tested that theory, and I was correct, if I choose the highlight of lyrics in the middle then a manual scroll to end of lyrics ends in the middle, what we need is to change the manual scroll logic to always end at the bottom of screen that would make life much easier when desperately scrolling to end of song lyrics.
As I said earlier I would also make manual scrolling behave differently to make it more on stage user friendly, by making sure a swipe up or down only moves one screen worth of lyrics , that way you can with confidence swipe and get the next lyrics without overshooting to a lyric point you don’t need.
It’s a lot easier to swipe two or three times than having to worry where you might end up if you swipe manually.
Remember we are under pressure on stage we need speed and confidence to do things.

peter

Damir When I go it to manual scroll and finger swipe to end of song my lyrics scroll right to the top of screen, this is not ideal as you want the lyrics to stop at the bottom of screen for the reason you want to see as much of the ending lyrics as possible.

You need to enable the override scrolling setting. Then it will not jump back.

AnthonyB

davelson In case it helps, I had a Lyric only song auto-scroll challenge recently where the scrolling wasn't suiting the band. My simple solution was to add a bunch of blank lines at the end of the lyric sheet and then one final line which was just a Comment that said "`End of lyric sheet"

That forced the page to start auto-scrolling earlier, well, technically it wasn't but the perception was that it was autoscrolling earlier, and the band was happy.

Damir

peter You need to enable the override scrolling setting. Then it will not jump back.

Manual scrolling override is activated, and i am having this issue, it apperars to me the logic of manual scrolling lyrics is wrong, this setting should allow me to manual scroll but the end of lyrics logic does not change , it follows whatever the auto scroll setting is set to instead of ignoring this and simply scroll to bottom of screen.
Once i activate auto scroll it should revert back to auto scroll position selection as is.
In manual it needs to ignore that logic and assume the end of lyrics stop at the bottom of screen.

peter

How can I reproduce your issue? When I have a lyrics only song and scrolling override is enabled, as soon as I manually scroll, the scroll speed stepper changes to "manual" and the lyrics no longer move by itself.

Damir

peter you can use time synced lyrics song with the setting to top of page line sync and manual scroll override on.
Now play the song and then try to manually get to the end of song, you will notice the end of your lyrics scroll to top of page.
This should not happen.
In manual scroll mode you should get the end of your song lyrics on the bottom of page because you are no longer in auto scroll mode.
The reason I suggest this because if you do a big swipe the lyrics shoot off screen, this is not good when on stage under pressure.
My other suggestion when in manual mode a swipe in any direction only moves one screen worth of lyrics so if you have a long song lyric you can comfortably swipe to next lot of lyrics without overshooting to an unwanted spot of the lyrics, and if you touch and drag your finger you can fine tune your position in the lyrics, this gives us very quick and safe vay to manually through the lyrics.
At the moment a quick swipe is like spinning a roulette wheel that gives you unpredictable results, we don’t need that on stage under pressure.

peter

Damir I think I get it. But this is not a lyrics only or manual scrolling issue but a general scrolling issue when approaching the end of the lyrics. If you selected the highlighted line to be at the top, it will be at the top even if you are at the end of the document. I agree that this is not desirable. The last lyrics line should stay at the bottom of the screen.

davelson Lack of proper simple control over the timing of auto scroll is a deal breaker for me

I don't see an issue there. Timecoding allows very precise control over what is displayed at which time. What exactly are you missing?

Nick

I use lyrics only and had the same issue.
I tried timecodes but they dont work for my band ( sea shantys and Irish folk ), as the timings may change to suit the mood.

I finally settled for a foot pedal using bluetooth, and re-formatted the shantys so that a verse / chorus was always on a complete page, ( chorus and verses if they fitted to the page ).

Took me a while to add this additional function to my lead vocal and mandfolin playing, but now have it working and am able to sync the page turn over with the correct timings of the song. Still get the odd double tap !!! so have to turn the pages back.

However the many other functions of Stage Traxx 3 far outweigh this inconvience, and i live in hope someday the problem will be solved.

davelson

Thanks to all for your replies….

It appears that this is a common issue for users which has not been resolved for me satisfactorily… a shame as the app shows a lot of promise. Lack of proper simple control over the timing of auto scroll is a deal breaker for me, so it’s back to BandHelper….

Cheers

davelson

peter my issue is that i dont want to go through the laborious process of adding time codes to hundreds of songs. I just want to be able to start autoscroll when i push a footswitch and it will start immediately without pause and run until the end of a song, or be able to adjust the exact time of the pause before auto scrolling starts and duration of autoscroll

Damir

davelson so what you are saying you simply want to have full control of foot pedal scrolling like an autocue that television presenters use, when you hit start the lyrics scroll immediately at your pre determined reading speed for that song only, every song has its own speed setting, you then have the second foot switch to reverse direction if needed.
There is nothing to program except a slight tweak of speed to suit every song.
I think that would work very nicely for a lot of very basic users of ST3 that just need lyrics.
I am one of them when using the accordion , most lyrics i need on the phone fit on one to 3 screens worth of space , all i want is to load the text resize it to suit the screen tweak the speed of scroll and go for it.
Ideally i dont even need the foot control or the speed adjustment, if peter made it a quick swipe up / down on screen to get from one full screen of lyrics to another without it scrolling to an unknown position as it is now, it would simplify it even more as i would only need a single quick swipe to get to my next needed screen.
And to top it off to select another song lyric, a swipe to right on screen to choose a different song text is all thats needed, no complicated data entry and syncing , just throw in the text and finger adjust the size of text set speed if needed and go for it.
SIMPLE.

peter

davelson my issue is that i dont want to go through the laborious process of adding time codes to hundreds of songs. I just want to be able to start autoscroll when i push a footswitch and it will start immediately without pause and run until the end of a song, or be able to adjust the exact time of the pause before auto scrolling starts and duration of autoscroll

So these would be 2 modes of operation? One where you have a start / pause autoscroll trigger and one that is automatic where you have a scroll delay at the start of the song and then it would scroll with a certain speed?

I understand the first mode of operation and that could indeed be a good addition. But the second mode requires more tweaking than the current mode? Right now, when you don't use timecodes, all you need to adjust is the scroll speed. With your approach you would need to adjust the scroll speed AND the start delay. I don't think that would be an improvement.

MarkGuitar

peter If I may chip in here. I think having a ‘pre-scroll delay’ would be a very useful addition but without the need for the scroll speed. Surely the scroll speed is what you calculate as you do now? This, but with the additional of a configurable pause before scrolling starts. Then your usual calculation to set the scroll speed based on the remaining time duration of the song. The benefits of having the pre-scroll delay is to help with getting the song started for people who use the page. It would be static for a while before scrolling starts, enabling them to get into the song before it starts moving. Or the alternative, as my old guitar teacher used to always so to me; “learn the material” 😄

davelson

MarkGuitar Exactly…!

Damir

MarkGuitar If I may chip in here. I think having a ‘pre-scroll delay’ would be a very useful addition but without the need for the scroll speed

Hi Mark, scroll speed control is the most important control, the delay start is an added convenience for some and I don’t mind it beeing there.
Reason.
Some songs rattle off lyrics fast and the song text is huge it might contain numerous solo breaks , so the existing automated system does not work well , this would be easily fixed by having everything manual , you hit start as you start singing with a scroll speed set by you to suit the speed needed and when you get to a solo hit pause do the solo and hit start to keep on singing , this is the simplest form of operating an autocue system , the other way is you don’t scroll but you jump to next page of screen data as required with a remote this also can work for some.
What it means is you have full control at the moment the software has full control and it works well for some songs but not all unless you do tricks in the text editor and that can be fiddly and unnecessary if you don’t need automation.
My view is if you don’t need automation and don’t set a time you get a very simple control of stop pause reverse by remote you enter all the lyrics size them up hit start and you get an immediate scroll that you simply adjust the speed and choice of screen scrolling or progressive smooth scroll .
If you select a time it means you need automation and a single start command , this mode gives you the additional start time delay and calculates things as they are now.
This gives very simple users options to run without relying on the software making calculations that don’t work for certain songs.
We have an option to run the lyrics exactly how we need because not all songs have standard lyric configuration, I have songs that rattle off lyrics like nobody’s business then I have songs that have half the lyrics needed over a long period of time .

peter

MarkGuitar It would be static for a while before scrolling starts, enabling them to get into the song before it starts moving.

But that's already happening. Autoscroll does not start immediately but is delayed. Why? Imagine you have 100 lines of lyrics. 20 of those fit on the screen. Let's say your song is 100 seconds long. So every second the lyrics should move to the next line with a scroll speed setting of 1.0. Scrolling happens after 20 seconds because in the first 20 seconds the first 20 lines are already visible. Beginning with second 21, you will see 1 line scroll per second.

Why would you need to add a predelay to that?

MarkGuitar To swap that for having to spend time working out how fast I need a song to scroll (lots of trial and error I would guess)

On the contrary. Nearly no time needed to do that. Seek to some position late in the song and adjust the scroll speed so that the part of the lyrics you want to see is visible. That's maybe 15-30 seconds of effort per song at most. I don't see how you could make that faster.

MarkGuitar

Damir couple of points on response.

Previous poster us said he doesn’t want to spend time adding timecode to lyrics. I get that, it is a bit of a chore (but very effective). To swap that for having to spend time working out how fast I need a song to scroll (lots of trial and error I would guess) is not a good option for me. So auto scroll speed is a better it for me.
I would guess that the number of songs that “rattle off lyrics” fast enough to be a problem is relatively small. So why not just use the timecode on that subset of songs? It works really well.
Or as my old guitar teacher said “learn the material” 😉

Best wishes. Mark

MarkGuitar

peter I realise the automatic way it works now does all that and it is just fine IMO.
I was referring to how it WOULD be if it was all manually controlled and we had to work it out ourselves.
Just to be clear, I think it is all good as it is 😁

Damir

MarkGuitar I realise the automatic way it works now does all that and it is just fine IMO.
I was referring to how it WOULD be if it was all manually controlled and we had to work it out ourselves.
Just to be clear, I think it is all good as it is 😁

I agree how it works now, for those that want to run as Mark says Automatically, but as he points out what if we dont want an automated delay ?
We simply want to throw in the lyrics size them up hit start when we actually need the scrolling to start and simply adjust the read speed to suit the song , we dont have a length of time selected as we dont really know how long we want the song , i play accordion and interact with the crowd this is an unknown factor, so i simply want the lyrics to scroll the lyrics as i need them and the speed might vary fom gig to gig depending on the energy of that particular crowd, i should be able to tweak the speed easily to adjust, this does not need to be super accurate as i am not tied to anything i am running the show, i dont want to be tied to 3.5 minutes or a click track or a backing track.
All i need is a start/stop, pause and a reverse direction with easy speed tweaking.
The other option is just a screen page jump with a swipe on screen or a foot pedal , this leaves me in full manual control of the lyrics with a bit of help of scroll facility which i can always pause and start again to suit solo moments.

I have been using synced lyrics from the begining when using ST , and i love it , thats when i have backing tracks , the audio segment ability really makes the difference when manipulating the crowd, but thats still ties you down which is fine for certain ways of performing, but when i use an accordion and am running totally free from being tied down in any way, being able to quickly select any part of the songs lyrics and alowing me to scroll as well through some sections of songs is most important , not to feel tied to the software , i want the software to be tied to me and my immediate needs.

The ability to jump to a verse 3 and back to verse 1 after that , at the moment audio segments do that well, i want the same ability without using backing audio or time, i just want to hit verse 2 and presto i have it , i then might decide to progress to verse 3 so as i scroll at a preset speed to end of verse 2 i decide to throw in a solo, i hit pause on lyrics do my 20min solo and hit start to proceed with verse 3 , the croud is nuts and want more i select verse 1, i immediately get the correct lyrics , this verse is long so i hit play and the scroll takes me through the text , swipe right on lyrics screen choose the next song and select chorus gets you immediately to the chorus of next song dont hit start because you intend to repeat this text as it all fits on one screen, as you are finishing the second run hit start the lyrics start scrolling, the crowd want to speed up a bit just tap on increase speed a bit and keep going , nothing is tieing you down and everything is fast to control.
This method is designed for musicians that need lyrics only very quickly, and dont want to spend time programing much.
You could say i want the text broken down in segments that give me text segments similar to audio segments where i can quickly select to where i want to jump to within the song text and then i want a simple screen scroll through those segments which i can start/stop scroll which can be adjusted speed if needed , no time or tempo settings, just simple control of text that appears in front of me.
The speed controlls how fast my screen moves from one full screen of text to the next screen , it is not tied down by time or tempo it is purely screen controled.