keyboard midi

davey62

The keyboard player in my band wants to use ST3 to change the patches on his Roland Fantom 7. He is connected with a widi jack/widi app. Following the st3 midi instructions, he pressed the midi learn button when the track started and the midi commands did show up on the lyric sheet. However, when starting the song, no changes occurred in the keyboard. Any ideas what is wrong? midi channels match

peter

Most likely you are using the wrong midi tag. Take a look at the different tags here: https://stagetraxx.com/user-guide/midi/#send-midi

MIDI tags with timestamps are sent when playback reaches the timestamp in the midi tag.

Another possibility is that the Fantom does not send exactly the same midi commands that it expects to receive.

Maybe post the tags you have recorded here.

davey62

peter

After pressing the midi learn button this is an example of what appears on the st3 lyric sheet.

peter

OK, I think I know why it is not working. The fantom might require a bank select format where both MSB and LSB are sent. Most likely the commands ST3 sends is incomplete. See here for details: https://stagetraxx.com/user-guide/midi/#bank-select-and-program-changes

AnthonyB

A quick internet search (roland fantom 7 bank select midi) and 2nd search result is this - https://forums.musicplayer.com/topic/187844-fantom-060708-tone-database-with-bank-select-numbers/

Looks like someone has done a LOT of legwork to save all Roland Fantom-06/07/08 owners some time! (Direct page link - https://www.netweters.nl/roland/fantom-0-series.php)

If I'm understanding it correctly, for the Bank Select value, you need to calculate (MSB*128 + LSB), and they have built a webpage that has done this all for you for all the Fantom presets (and expansion presets!).

So, back to ST, if I was to pick the 101 Bass patch in Bank PR-B:

Then the ST command (assuming the keyboard is listening on MIDI Ch 16) should be
[midi: CC0.11200@16,PC107@16]

If that doesn't work, then as per the example in the ST Doc link that @peter provided above, try sending the individual MSB, LSB, and PC:
So, same patch as example:
[midi: CC0.87@16,CC32.64@16,PC107@16]

It's common for Roland to require the MSB (CC0) and LSB (CC32) to be sent before a PC. I work with a Roland SPD-SX PRO and it behaves the same.
And in case you wanted to understand those MSB/LSB CC's (i.e. 0 and 32), they are referenced in the MIDI Implementation Guide (https://static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/FANTOM-06_07_08_MIDI_Imple_eng01_W.pdf):

Not super intuitive. Took me some trial and error to understand it and make it bulletproof when I'm sending commands from ST!

peter

@AnthonyB The first command is not correct. You can not send 11200 as a value. Only values between 0 and 127 are possible. So I have no idea what that 11200 even means.

But this one is correct in my opinion: [midi: CC0.87@16,CC32.64@16,PC107@16]

AnthonyB

peter

peter The first command is not correct. You can not send 11200 as a value

:shrug: they seem to think you can. Not sure why else they'd have those calculated Bank Select values on their site?
Anyway, as you said, the 2nd option where the MSB and LSB values are sent as individual CCs is more 'traditional' and I'd expect to work based on my experiences with other Roland gear.