Warning before st3 deletes queue please.

Kevtyler

Hi Peter,

I’m sorry to bother you, but I’ve tried both queue settings and I’m struggling with this.

I have a show with 80 songs in it, it contains 4 sections, starting with interval then sets 1 to 3. I like normal queue mode because I can pick a particular song in the playlist and the queue is created from this point. So I go on stage for an hour and then in the break, somebody will ask for a song that’s not currently in the queue, if I go in to songs and double click the desired song it erases the queue and replaces it with the song and 59 random others, I’d really like the option to add additional songs to the queue without erasing the songs I haven’t played or at least get a warning that I’m going to lose my unplayed songs. I know that If I use advanced queue mode then the playlist order dictates the queue, but if I wanted to play the last 20 songs at the start of the night, I’d have to swipe through 60 to play the song in the section of choice. I hope I’m explaining myself clearly, it’s just a minor niggle, but my guitarist is a fiddler, he will look at stuff during the breaks unknowingly deleting the queue in error, so a warning would be nice.

Many thanks

Kev

Damir

Kevtyler hi Kev, that’s just one of the reasons I don’t use queue at all, I simply use playlists ,
Why?
I have all my songs I need in the playlist which I can create an order , I can start from any place in that order, I can choose any song by foot pedal , I can repeat any song later if needed , to get a new song from the large song library I go to song , play it and jump back to my playlist and continue, I have my songs marked done so I know which songs I have already played, I can create a seperate playlist for break background music with its own preset audio level so it’s simple to bounce between performing playlist and background music playlist etc. this method has a lot more advantages on stage than queue so that’s why I don’t use queue at all.
Queue is good for working in its set way if it suits you.

peter

If you don't use the advanced queue mode, the queue is handled automatically and will always be the current selected song and the next 59 songs in the list you are currently in. You could activate the "show done marker" option. So if you go back to the playlist, you see where you left and can continue from there: https://stagetraxx.com/user-guide/settings/#show-done-marker

If you don't like that approach you need to activate advanced queue mode and learn how to use that. You will then be able to actively change the queue.

Showing a warning is a very bad idea as it would be displayed any time you tap on a song.

Kevtyler

peter

Thanks Peter

I’m sorry but I disagree with your opinion on the warning, surely it could be an option that could be toggled on and off, I don’t see what the advantage of losing one’s unplayed songs and gaining 59 random songs is. As I said, in advanced mode you would have huge distance to swipe, my solo show has 220 songs, so being able to start the queue at a particular point is a real bonus. If I made lots of smaller playlists I’d still have the same issues I think.

Anyway, as I said it’s just a minor niggle, I’ll lock my pad maybe .? I appreciate everything you do, and your rapid responses.

Cheers

peter

Kevtyler I’m sorry but I disagree with your opinion on the warning, surely it could be an option that could be toggled on and off,

In regular mode, the queue is cleared and rebuild every time you tap on a song. Do you really want to get a confirmation dialog every single time you tap on a song? I don't think so.

Kevtyler

Hi damir,

Thanks mate, it just shows how differently we all work I think.i have 3 shows, 2 duos and a solo, I never do repeats, I always use playlists for the reasons you suggest, but my solo show is 230 songs, and me on stage swiping huge distances looks terrible and this makes me anxious and uncomfortable. So I love the queue mode where the songs disappear, the “show done “ is no use to me because of the swiping and my eyes are terrible. I just think it’s an odd option that pushing one song deletes your list and adds 60 songs, I can’t see how anyone would want that, hence my request to prevent that. So mate, there you go, it’s life, it’s a great app, I have to accept it as it is.

Cheers

Damir

Kevtyler but my solo show is 230 songs, and me on stage swiping huge distances looks terrible and this makes me anxious and uncomfortable.

I totally agree with you I have close to 400 songs in my repertoire with different nationality songs on top of the genders within those and I never know exactly who is in my audiences , so when I made a choice which way to run I had to consider all aspects of use.
I ended up using playlists for a number of important reasons.
I needed to have all my songs available to be able to choose a next song by foot pedal , to be able to create a playing order beforehand knowing roughly who my audience is , this order could be easily changed without effort as I can skip or jump to any spot and still have my basic order , any song can be made to auto start next song either pre programmed or on the run you also have Xfade this is foot controlled, again you don’t need to touch your iPad screen , the playlist can be saved for another similar gig so hardly any prep work is needed.
I have my playlists in alphabetical order when I start but change the order of the first 40 to 50 songs that I intend to play for that gig , yes I can jump around these 40 songs easily by foot pedal and if I need any of the other songs I can scroll down by foot and all songs after the 40 are in alphabetical order to easily find and choose as next as this new song is playing I foot scroll back down to my 40 songs and choose where to continue from, this method has a lot of time saving advantages as it’s always there for you for the next similar gig, the DONE feature has you covered to make sure you don’t repeat a song or to give you a choice to play it again, if you are runing in auto mode it also skips already done songs so you can jump to a song and perform it and then go back to your automated list but this song will be jumped as you progress through your sets, the advantages just go on and on , QUEUE mode is very restrictive and only great if you use it a certain way but it’s got a lot of limitations.
I do agree with you regarding loading a song from SONG MODE automatically loads songs you don’t want, this and a number of other similar reasons is why I don’t use Queue on stage.
Good luck

Just to add why I use playlists, I treat every playlist as a GIG then I create a playlist in the beginning but I still have all my songs in alphabetical order following my pre programmed order.
This gig can now be used and named at regular venues over and over with minor tweaks saving a lot of prep work, the playlist can suit different band configurations so you can instantly easily select your playlist to suit your gig needs , certain gigs might never need certain songs so you just remove those songs to thin down your song choice number , the advantages go on and on while Queue Is lacking those very important time saving things, yes it does a good job doing things one way..

Kevtyler

peter

Hi Peter, what is the benefit of losing all your unplayed songs, and adding a load of junk to the queue just because I’ve hit a button by mistake. Who would ask an app creator like yourself to add this as a feature ??

I’m not asking for a notification every time I press a song, I’m just suggesting it would be nice to clear the queue with the clear button you provided, not by pressing a random song button.

Many thanks

Kevin

jaytrax

630 songs user here

Duo and Solo tracks
Colour coded for duplicated (pink is female)
I use the default Master A-Z

I decide 20-30 seconds what my next song is depending on the crowd

Tap the nearest letter
A quick flick and select song either by hand or midi foot controller

On downbeat initiate crossfade

Kevtyler

jaytrax thanks mate, I just feel I’m not giving the audience the attention they deserve, so I’ll figure something out. Thanks

peter

Kevtyler Hi Peter, what is the benefit of losing all your unplayed songs, and adding a load of junk to the queue just because I’ve hit a button by mistake. Who would ask an app creator like yourself to add this as a feature ??

Look, every audio app will play songs starting from the one you select to the end of the list. This is what every users expects and that is how Stage Traxx will work with Advanced Queue Mode off. In that mode you can just forget about the queue. You are in a list, select a song and the rest of the list will play.

If you don't like this approach, activate Advanced Queue Mode. Here you need to manage the queue yourself. It will only be cleared when you tap the "Clear" button. Seems like that's exactly what you want.

Kevtyler

Damir hey damir

Thanks mate, what you are suggesting is great but I’m often not on stage with my gear, I’m a solo sometimes or part of a duo, so when I’m alone I’ll sing and walk around the room, interact with the guests and return to the stage to hit the next song, I feel it goes amiss, in the silence while I’m scrolling up and down, but I’m going to absorb what you suggest.

Many thanks.

Kevtyler

peter hi Peter

I’ve used backing tracks for 30 odd years, I have never expected to lose my progress mid gig or wanted to lose my progress mid gig due to an accidental button press. I’ve never been on stage and wanted 60 odd random songs to load either, but if there was an option labeled, “ lose all your songs and load 59 odd songs” I wouldn’t select it. For reasons I’ve explained, advanced queue mode doesn’t suit me. I’m sure many of the others get what I’m saying or requesting. You start your show and over 2 hours the list becomes smaller and more manageable, then some annoying drunk asks you to play comfortably numb, wagon wheel, come on Eileen, or anything that’s not in your current list, so you go to song list, click on the song, and voila, it’s added to the queue but doesn’t wipe out you’re list, I’m not sure why you think that’s a bad idea to be honest.

Damir

Kevtyler have you considered a bluetooth hand remote to stop/ start or xfade to next song while you are off stage , i have one mounted on my guitar so when i walk away from my ipad or my foot pedals i still have the basic controls to a certain distance off stage or on a large stage .
There are many little tricks ST3 allows you to do to make life performing easy.

peter

Kevtyler You start your show and over 2 hours the list becomes smaller and more manageable, then some annoying drunk asks you to play comfortably numb, wagon wheel, come on Eileen, or anything that’s not in your current list, so you go to song list, click on the song, and voila, it’s added to the queue but doesn’t wipe out you’re list, I’m not sure why you think that’s a bad idea to be honest.

That's exactly what Advanced Queue Mode will do for you: Load a playlist at the start of a gig, then switch to the queue view for the rest of the evening and add the odd song whenever you need one.

Kevtyler

Damir

Hey mate, yes I have a chocolate bar thingummy, it’s great. On decent gigs I used to have an air turn sewn in to my suit with a little micro switch. But in a big hotel, move too far and you look like a dick head when the connection goes 😂😂😂

Kevtyler

peter

Thanks Peter

I’ve already explained why this doesn’t work for me.

I have a set list with 230 songs in, it’s color coded, it has 30 interval tunes in the beginning, then 40 slow buble rod Stewart etc stuff then irish, then 80s pop, then reggae, then soul, then a mish mash. Now in normal queue mode, I can create a queue from the 80s section, but in advance mode I have to load the list from the interval. So that means I have to constantly scroll past all the stuff I don’t want to get to the 80s section.

I don’t mean to be awkward but I think a third mode would be great. A mode where you can load a set list from a specific point in to normal queue mode, then when someone’s suggests a song that’s not in the queue, you have the option to add it, or even better imho, you load a list of songs to the queue and then have the option to add the full contents of another playlist to your queue and then….have the option to save this queue as a playlist.

I’m sorry Peter, everyone wants to add jelly and custard and sprinkles to your work, it must be really annoying and I’m not winding you up. I hope you know that.

Cheers

KeV

peter

Kevtyler Queue handling is very complicated stuff to get right. I don't want to open that up with a third mode. But what I could offer (even in a small maintenance update) is an option to add all songs from a list starting with the selected song to the queue. So at the beginning of your gig, you go the 80s section and select to add all songs starting there to the queue. Basically what the regular mode does automatically.

Kevtyler

peter

Hi Peter

Appolgies for the late reply, I’m sorry I missed the reply email

That sounds perfect, I don’t want to add to your workload but I think it’s a great option, as that would do everything I need.

Thanks so much for your help

Cheers

KeV