Not sure what to call this... Is there a way to set up ST3 to where it can point to another can playlists (call it JukeBox) and start autoplaying ... Example: Song A finishes playing and I'm ready to take a break... so the next "song" is called JukeBox which is actually another playlist (like a dry erase board) containing what I call bumpers that can be changed added/deleted/or shuffled, can be as different as I want) and JukeBox automatically plays and keeps playing until I manually stop it or cross fade into my next song .. this would help with breaks.... Thank you.

    jzavaletta i like your thinking as its always a pain at end of a session preparing to exit to a background music playlist.
    So what you are saying is have a selection option in playlists to make one playlist your choice which is to be the jukebox so when you are performing you just have a Jukebox song type of song which actually just plays the background music from the playlist you have chosen and when you are done with it you just xfade to continue your performance, or stop then select next song and off you go again.

    This eliminates the need to leave your playlist and gives very easy operation to the user to get off and on stage.
    I like it a lot, because i alway have to fiddle on stage to start playing background music or when returning on stage, this would allow you to not have to touch the ipad as its all in the one playlist and foot controlable.

    So all we need to do is select which playlist is our Jukebox, and place the jukebox song wherever we might need a break and jump to it whenever we need a break. I would use that for sure.
    But can it be implemented is another question.

        Interesting idea but not sure how to integrate it into the user interface. How would you start/stop playback of this jukebox playlist without adding a new play button to the interface?

          peter You do NOT need another start/stop/playback, the song that is playing with stop/start button is always showing at the bottom of the screen...Example: I'm in my main Playlist A but I want to trigger JukeBox playlist... right now I have to manually go to Jukebox Playlist click on the 1st song, autoplay, etc, and it goes... no worries.. And if I go back to Playlist A, the JukeBox song appears magically at the bottom of the screen and keeps going, with the stop / play button etc... at least it does on mine. My idea is to save a few clicks and searches when on stage.... and stay in Playlist A if possible.

            peter Interesting idea but not sure how to integrate it into the user interface. How would you start/stop playback of this jukebox playlist without adding a new play button to the interface?

            Perhaps look at it as a pre programmed feature that skips all the manual work to play a background playlist.

            Have a Song called JUKEBOX PLAYLIST, this appears to be a song in song mode and is always present as no 1 song in the list to be able to be used or selected whenever needed in playlists or in song mode , but only exists if a playlist exists as it’s not a song it’s actually a way to get to any playlist you want to use as a background music playlist, when you create playlists you have a method of selecting which playlist you want to use as the JUKEBOX PLAYLIST , once you have selected a playlist to be a jukebox that’s when the jukebox playlist song is presented to you as the No 1 song in SONG MODE, so now you can choose this so called song which actually is just an automated way to play another complete playlist that has the Jukebox feature enabled, you can now select which playlists you want the Jukebox playlist song to be in so you can then place it wherever you think you might need a break.

            What does the Jukebox song do?
            When selected , it automatically plays the playlist that has been appointed as the Jukebox playlist , if auto play is enabled on that playlist it plays right through the playlist and loops to beginning and plays it again and again, if the Autoplay is disabled then it just stops after first song and waits for your start command, once you reach the end of the jukebox song with Autoplay disabled the next song in your normal playlist gets chosen to play next , if Autoplay is enabled on the normal playlist then the next song gets automatically played, so basically the logic remains exactly the same, all you are doing is choosing a Jukebox song and inserting it whenever you need a break.

            To set it up you choose a playlist that will become your JUKEBOX SONG go to SONG, select the Jukebox song details and wherever you want breaks by choosing which playlists you want it in and place where exactly you want it within a playlist. Just like normal songs playlist generation.

            You will then need a swipe left DUPLICATE command function so you can have multiples of the same jukebox and a DELETE function to remove the Jukebox songs, so you can easily put a break wherever you want, the Jukebox song becomes just like a normal song except it plays throught the dedicated playlist without actually going to the playlist , this allows you to come back on stage choose your next song which is actually already setup for you, and xfade to start the show again or just stop play and select next song and continue the show without ever leaving your existing playlist.

            The exit position out of JUKEBOX is remembered so when you come back to it, it continues from where you were, the jukebox songs don’t get marked as played songs in history but the jukebox song itself does get inserted to history so you can see where you took breaks.

            The idea of this system is to be able to easily get off and on stage without spending time on pushing buttons on your device, by having your background music appear as just another long song that you just easily engage and disengage just like any other song in your performance.

            This feature could also be used where you can easily create playlist medleys and by selecting which playlist you choose to be the JUKEBOX is the medley that plays this then gives you freedom to rearrange your medleys till the cows come home.

            Possibly other advantages I haven’t thought off yet.

            How would you start/stop playback of this jukebox playlist without adding a new play button to the interface?

            NO NEW BUTTONS the stop start operates on the Jukebox Playlist that’s selected as the JUKEBOX PLAYLIST as you go to another song the STOP/START operates as normal.
            In other words the features are rederected to the area that’s used at the time even though the interface is still in its normal view , because that’s the idea of what we want is not to have to leave the playlist view we are in we just want an easy way to play another playlist we don’t really care about , we are using it as a convenience to do a job for us without interrupting our performance setup.

            Sorry for adding on comments.
            But a simple logic breakdown.
            If a Jukebox song is selected, the logic of the stop/ start button operates the same but it directs the commands to the playlist that has been selected as the JUKEBOX PLAYLIST, all other logic remains the same within this now selected playlist, this playlist gets played with all its relative settings but it is not displayed , the performance playlist you are on remains on screen and when you get off the Jukebox Song on to a normal stereo song the Stop/Start button changes back to normal operation.
            So its only the JUKEBOX PLAYLIST SELECTION THAT CHANGES THE STOP/START LOGIC where it plays the playlist that has been chosen to be the JUKEBOX.

                Damir yes.TY I VERY much appreciate your thoughts. I was thinking we could ADD a “special song” except instead of a lyrics only or multitrack, it’s only function is to point and play a playlist. Suppose we create a new “Jukebox” and instead of an mp3 file it points/triggers playback of a different playlist whose songs would show at bottom of the screen of Playlist A and use regular stop/start buttons etc. So I don’t have to find and switch. EXAMPLE: the name of our “break” playlist is “Bumpers” and Jukebox is sequenced into my Playlist A like a regular song, then when it’s time, “Jukebox” points to Bumpers and Autoplays that playlist! Ta Da! Is that possible?

                    jzavaletta The reason I go in to great detail is because I am thinking about the difficulty of implementing the facility, the user friendliness and flexibility , and also not to bloat the software with things that others don’t need and will frustrate them.
                    So by already having 3 types of songs is complicated enough and really fixes you in 3 different directions I don’t think a fourth direction is wort it when you can simply create a function that works on all song types, that isn’t in your face at all if you don’t want it but it’s there if you do need it.
                    A simple selection of any playlist to make it the JUKEBOX SONG or any name you choose this facility to be , this one selection creates a song at the beginning of the SONG list which then is used the same way that any other song is , you can play it in SONG MODE, any PLAYLIST MODE , and place it in any PLAYLIST at any point , and all it does it points to the selected PLAYLIST that has been chosen to be the BACKGROUND MUSIC playlist which plays through this playlist as you normally would if you selected it and played it manually.
                    This keeps everything as simple and yet flexible as possible and also doesn’t bother anyone at all if they don’t need it, the only obvious thing would be in playlists you would have a choice to create this playlist as the preferred automated playlist when using the song that was created for you in SONG MODE AS THE CONVENIENT METHOD OF INSERTION OF BREAK POINTS PLAYLIST SONGS WITHOUT EVER LEAVING YOUR NOW PERFORMING PLAYLIST.

                    So there is a lot of thought put in to it from all angles, and hopefully all the planets have aligned to create a very nifty and wort while on stage function that doesn’t piss off any users yet gives the more advanced users another advantage on stage to appear more capable.

                    This changing of playlists has always bothered me but perhaps with a bit of tweaking it can be made very smooth, so thank you for the prompt to think about it some more and I hope someone can come up with even better idea.
                    Cheers Damir

                        Damir Yes, completely agree! TY! Would love to see it implemented! Cheers

                            jzavaletta Yes, completely agree! TY! Would love to see it implemented! Cheers

                            Now the only problem is what does Peter think about this, is it doable ? Is it a good idea?
                            Can the idea be improved in some better way?
                            What do you make of it Peter?

                            Just think swipe left on a playlist and select JUKEBOX, go to song mode and use this jukebox song as a break filler , simple and easy,
                            Nothing changes but the logic of the play button once you are on a JUKEBOX song, you could have it look like a jukebox so it stands out from the other songs, have we sold you the idea yet?
                            If you are playing a Jukebox song and you select to choose another playlist to be the jukebox the now playing jukebox has to complete or be stopped before the new jukebox playlist comes to action, jukebox songs can be inserted anywhere in a playlist, duplicated and deleted as needed, but treated just like another song.
                            Sold yet?
                            This to me and most probably a lot of others is worth a lot more than having more tracks or multiple outs.

                              I'm not convinced yet. This will be a lot of work with lots of special cases when playing back these "playlist songs" just for the benefit of not having to switch to another playlist.

                                peter I'm not convinced yet. This will be a lot of work with lots of special cases when playing back these "playlist songs" just for the benefit of not having to switch to another playlist.

                                Perhaps keep it as a posabiliy, i do think there are a lot of little things that need polishing in ST3 that would be more beneficial to us on stage, i am really not liking the search logic that much which is quite important when on stage, even off stage it is not making me feel warm and fuzzy , using ipad or iphone, so perhaps we can start the fine polishing first before we move on to bigger ideas, overall ST3 is doing its job nicely the basic conceipt of what its aims to do is correct, but it could be improved in some areas where people are using it in a slightly different way, like Lyrics only people that use iphones .
                                I will ellaborate about it in the new year as i have a gig on tonight so HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR !

                                  I agree. But please wait with your suggestions until I start the big brainstorming thread for version 4 once 3.7 is released and stable.

                                  Now, off to a new years eve gig... Happy new year!

                                  jzavaletta

                                  Not trying to over simplify this, but couldn't you create a recorded "Break 1" song consisting of three songs recorded in a single track and insert it into your playlist like any other song? I do this now to account for my breaks (10 minutes of music) when planning a gig. If you want different song on your second break, call it "Break 2" and have different songs recorded. If you get done early just fade out and move to the next song.

                                      NachoChez Not trying to over simplify this, but couldn't you create a recorded "Break 1" song consisting of three songs recorded in a single track and insert it into your playlist like any other song? I do this now to account for my breaks (10 minutes of music) when planning a gig. If you want different song on your second break, call it "Break 2" and have different songs recorded. If you get done early just fade out and move to the next song.

                                      NachoChez, where have you been? Brilliant suggestion and so obvious I feel like slapping my face for not thinking of it already, not only that but now we have looping you could create a single large loop and place a permanent loop on it and presto you have a perfect background loop that won’t stop till you come back on stage, LOVE IT TOTALLY, so Peter totally ignore my other suggestions regarding background music playback, and I will erase all my background music playlists and create playlist songs for my gigs from now on.
                                      Thanks again Nacho we need more of your simple solutions.

                                        NachoChez I already do that. But I have to hardwire this break together or leave it as is. The jukebox playlist however could be shuffled and mixed up. Oh well …. Peace and honor in the new year.

                                            jzavaletta yes I agree I think a simple choice to make any playlist appear as a song in any playlist has a lot of flexibility to the user , and allows you not to have to leave your playlist, SEARCH is another example, they are the little annoying things I can think of when performing , perhaps the JUKEBOX IDEA is the answer as it has no affect on the interface it just gives you a simple choice to choose which playlist you want to be at your covariance and simply allows you to get on with the show.
                                            We shall see, once the dust settles perhaps more users will see the potential of the idea.

                                              I’m using this “lyrics only” Jukebox as a placeholder… but it could certainly be modified to point to a playlist.

                                              2 years later

                                              I've just come across this interesting thread.

                                              I think the idea of a track which is simply a pointer to another playlist which auto-plays is an interesting one.

                                              For me, I'd be happy if auto-play could simply be enabled cross-playlist and between playlist and song list.
                                              I use auto-play heavily, I even have a range of silent tracks (30s, 1m, etc) scheduled in the playlist for when I want to speak.

                                              However, if I need to break out of playlist 1 to select a song on another playlist or on the main song library, auto-play ceases.

                                              It'd be great if:
                                              Given a song on playlist 1 is playing,
                                              When I select a song on playlist 2.
                                              Then, when playlist 1 song is finished, auto-play continues with the selected song on playlist 2.

                                              I'd think that would solve the issue for me with, I presume, a lot less dev effort for Peter.
                                              I'd also be delighted if someone said... Seamus.. .that's already available you idiot!

                                              Thanks in advance :-)

                                                SeamusC if you select a next song in another playlist just activate auto play button and it will play the next song no matter where it is.