How to program seperate midi channels

derums

First of all, thank's so much for all the support and making a stellar app that does everything I need Peter! As a gigging duo, the more that's automated, the more time I save and the easier gigs are!

I am a little unsure as to how to write the midi code. I have tried to look for vids and do due dilligence...I am moving from onsong but understand instead of menu programming I program midi commands (pc,cc,cc value from the lyrics edit. I think that's a better way to do it if I understood how cause your way I could copy and paste a template instead of digging through endless menus!

I'm also not sure how to test it because my context menu doesn't offer a send midi option. is there somewhere I need to turn on the contextual menu for midi?

what I'm trying to do: Have patches on my ve-500 boss and helix lt (midi channels 1 and 2 respectively) change the moment song lyrics pop up/the backing track is played

secondary goal: to switch all the effects on the helix by switches snapshots in the time code of lyrics via midi.. (I use momentary footswitch for ve-500 harmonies/vocoders/throws so I don't need stagetraxx to do anything but switch my vocal effects to the correct patch)

the helix works like this in onsong to select a patch

Select correct bank: Send Control change 3 (the setlist on helix) on channel 1 of midi
Select correct patch: Send program change 41 on channel 1

Then additionally to do the snapshot 1-8 select (0-7 in midi)

Give a delay of 900ms
send a control 69 with value of 2 (Snap 3)

Then the ve-500 roland vocal needs to hear on channel 2 (receive config midi channel)
just the program change 58 (or whatever the number reads eg pc47= patch47)

Switch the

I'm using a wireless widi master (which stagetraxx says it's connected to in setup) for the helix and a widi jack for the ve-500 control.

This is what I tried to put into the lyrics editor:

[MIDI:CC3@1] ::Send a midi command of cc3 to chanel 1 to select bank on Helix::
[MIDI😛C44@1] :: Send a program change to go to patch 43: addicted to love on the Helix::
[MIDI:CC69:2@1 @00:02] ::To 2 seconds after playing switch the snpshot to the 2nd snapshot on Helix::
[MIDI😛C32@2] :To send the command to the ve-500 on chanel 2 to switch to patch 32:Addicted to Love::
song:Addicted to Love

LYRICS LYRICS.....
...............................

So I'm sure I've missed the finer points, please let me know what I"m doing wrong and how the syntax should look as well as how to get the midi contextual menu so I can test this.

thanks to you and everyone for your help!
Leif

peter

Leif, you got it nearly right. But there are small syntax problems. I guess that's the reason it does not work. So first, take a look at the documentation which explains the syntax: https://stagetraxx.com/user-guide/midi/

Your syntax errors:

leave a space after midi:
control change values are seperated with a dot and not colons
timestamps are written before the first colon: [midi@01:00.00: ...]

As your syntax was not recognized you could not send midi with the context menu

Helix

I looked at the documentation here: https://helixhelp.com/tips-and-guides/universal/midi

It is not CC3 that you need to send but CC32 which is basically a normal bank select statement that Stage Traxx can send directly in the PC command. Just write it like this: [midi: PC44.3@1]

If you then want to select a snaphot 900ms after the song is started you write: [midi@00:00.9: CC69.2@1]

VE-500

That command looks ok except the missing space.

So all together your commands should look like this:

[midi: PC44.3@1] ; Send a bank select 3 and program change to go to patch 43: addicted to love on the Helix:: [midi@00:02: CC69.2@1] ; To 2 seconds after playing switch the snpshot to the 2nd snapshot on Helix:: [midi: PC32@2] ; To send the command to the ve-500 on chanel 2 to switch to patch 32:Addicted to Love::song:Addicted to Love

derums

peter awesome thanks. I did look at that last night and figured it out. Super helpful to know the syntax for the ms delay. For future prosperity it looks like the ve-500 uses something called assigns that allow it to take any cc and any value, but the patches are pc changes. I'm still testing but it looks like the ve-500 is very inconsistent in recognizing commands, sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. perhaps it will be more solid through usb midi. Thank you for your quick reply.

derums

Nope figured it out. the boss ve-500 has its own editor. you have to assign discrete cc#'s (ex 8 and 9) to turn the harmony effect or whatever on and off. so

[midi:00:15.00: CC8.127@2] = Turn on the effect at 15 sec on channel 2
[midi:00:20.00: CC9.0@2]= Turn off the effect at 20 sec on channel 2

yay. hope this helps someone

Kerry

derums could you elaborate on this? I just got my iPad setup with stage traxx 3 and a ve-500.
I am able to do the program change to change a preset, but am trying to figure out how to turn fx1 and fx2 on and off but don’t know where to find the corresponding CC number to do this?? I have looked everywhere for some type of chart. I know you use 127 and 0 for on and off but how do I know what CC number to use???

peter

Interesting. But seems to me like a complicated use of CCs. Why do you need to setup different CCs to turn the fx on and off if you could just send a value of 127 to turn on and 0 to turn off for the same CC number? I would rather do it that way I guess.

And you need to write midi@timecode and not midi:timecode to make it work.

peter

You need to look in the manual of the ve-500 which midi commands are used to do what.