User defined Queue start point

Kevtyler

Hi Peter

This request is an alternative to my recent reverse queue request, I think this is actually a better idea.

Current situation,
I’m using a 250 song playlist, 3 by 60 minute pre defined sets plus sections of genre specific and artist specific songs. The list ends with interval songs, varying between 3 minutes and 20 minutes. My show is 3 by 45 minutes, with 2 breaks of 20 to 40 minutes … each of the 3 sets has 4 to 5 surplus songs to facilitate variation. I can play any section of songs by merely scrolling and selecting a song and pressing play. However it’s a lot of scrolling sometimes and lacks the “remove after play” facility that queue offers.

My Request..

I want to use st4 with “Show Queue” enabled, “add to top on double tap” enabled, and “Automatic Queue Handling” disabled . I want to create the queue from a single playlist. I don’t want to dive in to queue handling settings mid gig or navigate from queue to song or playlist folders every time I’m on a break. Pre show or during a break, I don’t want to rely on double tap or single tap for that matter to bring interval songs to the top of the list, and then have to remove unplayed songs before I can start my show.

I would like the facility to temporarily define where the top of the queue is. QUEUE STARTS HERE

Ok so you start with an empty queue as usual , but st4 loads a line of text that looks like a song, but it’s just a place holder that doesn’t play and can’t be removed in the manner that queued songs are.

Ok so you load your playlist or playlists in to the queue, you have 250 songs, the last 50 are interval. So you scroll down to the first interval song, you long press on the first interval song and the option “ Queue starts here “ pops up. You select this option and that place holder I mentioned has now moved to this point in the list. You press play and the interval song starts, plays and is removed after play. The next song is the first song below the QUEUE STARTS HERE marker, when you double tap on another interval song, it jumps to below the currently playing song or the QUEUE STARTS HERE marker, it does not jump to the top of the list 200 songs away.

When you are ready to start your show, you long press on your opening number and once again select “ QUEUE STARTS HERE”

You do your first set and then repeat the process for the break, when it’s time to go back on stage for set 2 you can move the queue start point to the first song of the 2nd set, the advantage of this is that you don’t have to delete or swipe on the 5 unplayed songs of the first set.

Just to clarify, a double tap anywhere in the list moves the song choice up or down to the Queue Starts here marker, or next song if you are mid song, exactly like queue operates now but with a user defined start point.

I hope you give this request your consideration Peter , and guys please, give it a vote and actually use queue for a few gigs before you tell me I don’t need this option, or before you tell me how something many of you don’t actually use works in a gig environment.

Thanks

Kev

Ps here’s how it would look if you want to do a few reggae songs mid gig

MusicMan81

Kevtyler

Sorry to be a pita…. But please try the following.

1 - Load your setlist for the current show.
2 - Select the 1st song.
3 - Open The queue. “You’ll se a reflection of the same setlist”

Asumimg, you play the entire set, and you are currently playing the last song right? (Must be playing the song so you’ll see what I meant) Then..

4 - Open the SAME setlist….
5 - choose the interval song you want to play. “Not double tap or anything, just highlight it”
6 - Open the queue…. Now you’ll have exactly what you want and are asking for… the ability to choose where to start the show from the same same setlist. But instead of long press, you just open the playlist, tap the song and it’s done.

Then, asuming the break is over….

7 - Open the SAME setlist
8 - Select the 1st song of the 2nd set
9 - Open the queue…. Now you can press “crossover” and seamlessly start playing your second set in the same order you had before.

Not even just that, you can even get creative and organize everything a bit better in different playlists. Example (low beat, medium beat, party, Italian songs, rock songs, ballads etc etc) or just divide them into whatever you want….

Select the playlist you want to play, go to queue, and play… and IF the crowd wants more uptempo songs etc etc… go to the Upbeat Songs playlist, just tap any song in that playlist you want to start playing next, and go to the queue….

Now you’ll have the current song playing, and next the playlist you want to play next…. Erasing all the previous songs.. is more dramatic change, but your creativity is the limit, at least on my case this way is very much flexible.

stevebarry

Kevtyler This would be a very usable feature for my live shows as well. A worthy request, I could use this feature a lot.

Damir

Kevtyler hi Kev , I like the fact that all my gig is in one place and yes I also group my songs to together depending on style and tempo so if someone requests a particular song other appropriate songs surround it for easy continuity if needed.
I find existing queue is very set to particular type of performing which does not suit me having 475 song repertoire and an unknown or varied audience.
To me I don’t need a queue icon I just need a flexible playlist logic that works seamlessly.
I have noticed a number of users are staying in playlists, and that’s because queue does not meet all their needs.
Good luck with it and let’s find a perfect solution for majority.
There is no wrong or right here just good and better.
Cheers Damir

Kevtyler

Sorry music man

I made the request for a reason, it’s a long read I get it, but you need to read it properly. I clearly stated, I don’t want to be opening and closing folders didn’t I?

When queue is engaged, you double click to bring songs to the top, you can’t just select a point in the queue or the play list to play from like you suggest.

How can I open a play list that’s already open?

And what is crossover?

I’m not sure what you mean, your proposal would make sense if skip played songs was enabled, and then I sang one set of 200 songs, then If I deleted the queue and reloaded the queue with that playlist there would only be interval left, but I’m not working like that mate.

One playlist loads the queue, then that’s it.

Sorry

Thanks for taking the time to help

MusicMan81

Kevtyler It’s crazy that you are not even trying lol.

For the sake of this discussion I will try to explain better.

In the top left, you have 3 options.

A - Open the song list
B - Open the playlist
C - Open the queue

Now, open B “playlist”
Select your playlist
Select the first song

Open C “Queue”
You’ll see the playlist, with the added features of the queue correct.

Play the first song on the queue….

Now, let’s imagine that first song is the last song of the first set, just imagine that…

Open B…. You will open the CURRENT playlist…
Select the first song of your background music, I believe you call it “interval” or ANY Ssong, you don’t need to double click or anything, just select the song.

Now… Open C…and you will see, that the first song in the list, is the song that you are currently playing “the last song of the set”…. And the rest of the songs has been Re-Organized by the song you just selected… So the next song is the “interval”

You can do this at any point, any time, you can just re-order the queue the way you desire…

Please, try this before you say it cannot be done, because this can achieve what you need.

Yes, is not “long press” and select start queue from here… which I think it will take longer
(Scroll to desired song, select desire song, long press “min 2 sec”, select option to start there)

The other way, is 1 click, scroll, 1 click…. That’s it.

Ps: Crossover, is the function that Peter added, when you press it, it will fade out the current song, and fade in the next song, like mixing both songs per se…. So you can have the background music interval, and do the crossover and seamlessly start playing with no awkward silence lml. .lml

Kevtyler

Hi music man

You must have a different version of st4 than me.

I’m well aware what the 3 folders are

I have already explained, I have a playlist already…

When I enable queue, you can’t play a song or select it from the middle of a playlist or the queue without double clicking it. Peter has already suggested that he is introducing single click to send to the top in a future version, he hasn’t mentioned being able to play a queued song from anywhere other than the top, hence this request.

When you posted this reply earlier, I of course saw the time you took trying to help me and did replicate your steps, have you actualy tried this yourself, it doesn’t work.

There are 200 songs before the interval, when I finish the first set, there are 5 or 6 unsung songs remaining in this set, right at the top of the queue, Then there’s the 2nd set of songs. You need to read my request

Load the queue from one playlist… that’s it.

Thanks

MusicMan81

Kevtyler is crazy that you take the time to write but you are not following the steps….

In your words….

When you are in queue mode, you cannot select a song, everybody knows that, you’ve said it 20 times…. But…. IF while playing a song of the queue you open B, the playlist, and select ANY SONG in the playlist NOT THE QUEUE…. The queue will be Re-organized… and the song in the playlist you select will become “start queue from here”…. IN THE QUEUE

The queue is always slave to whatever you select in the playlist…. Use queue just to insert any song with double click if you need to, nothing more.

Just TRY it…

Kevtyler

MusicMan81
You missed my previous msg, of course I tried it.

MusicMan81

Kevtyler

Stage Traxx. 4.0.13. The latest.

Kevtyler

If you do what you suggest, one click in the playlist does nothing, that’s why nobody has admitted to using queue other than Peter and I. You need to double tap in playlist and it sends one song to the bottom or depending on settings to the top of the queue. Now if you have queue enabled and auto queue handling enabled, the double tap on a song in playlist erases the queue and adds the songs below the selected song to the queue, absolutely no use to me, and lots of others say they hate this and that’s why they don’t use queue.

I’ve not heard of crossover, but I’ll look for it.

My st4 is from may 16

Oh and you realise, (your words) single click does nothing

Do me a favour and try what you are suggesting, it doesn’t work.

MusicMan81

Kevtyler

You don’t need to “add” any song.

Just any song you select in the playlist will be “start queue from here”, is not erasing anything, is re-organizing everything based on the song you select. Nothing more.

If you are playing “Happy Birthday” and you open the playlist, select the interval you want, and go back to queue, you will see that the first song and currently playing IS happy birthday and then… you will see that the order of the songs has been reorganized as “start from here”

You just need to try it.

MusicMan81

Kevtyler But no worries man, I tried my best to explain.

Maybe I’m lucky and I have a working ST4 totally different than the rest of the community, maybe that’s why I can do that.

Cheers, I’m out.

Kevtyler

I’m going to argue that you have tried what you suggest with a playlist of 47 songs or less.

Mate, thanks for your help, but try this with a 200 song playlist, it deletes everything, I understand why you think it’s just rearranging, but it’s not, please make a big list you’ll see what I’m talking about.

Cheers

MusicMan81

Kevtyler I do have bigger playlists, but by chance I had opened the 47 song list when I capture the photo just to show you the folders. It behaves the same in any playlist.

I’m lucky I guess… my ST4 does things nobody else’s

No worries man, I hope @peter finds a solution for you.

MusicMan81

Kevtyler

I did try it with different playlist.

I guess we might have different versions of st4. Good luck bro, I really hope @peter solves it.

Kevtyler

Is crossover when you swipe left to engage “ toggle auto play “ ??

Hey music man

Think of this scenario, you play the first 45 minute set, reload the playlist in to the queue, the 5 songs you didn’t play in the first set are on top of the queue, there’s 187 songs between the first song and the intervals, you now have to scroll to near the bottom and bring your interval up and rearrange them, it’s a lot of messing about versus, my request which was one press, do you see that? Loading and reloading playlists versus one long press.

Give it vote mate

Thanks

MusicMan81

Kevtyler You are still NOT getting what I. Saying….

Put the options as I have, I tried different setups, and I stated to Peter that using “skip played songs” fucks everything up… it might be a bug, even if you exit a playlist and enter another playlist that has the same song it recognizes it as “played” and it will not show up…

Turn ON THE FIRST 2 options

Turn OFF the last 2 options.

Try again…. You’ll get what you want.

Kevtyler

Sorry re your all songs 294,

If you play 20 then reload the queue by long press on queue, your queue is now 274, but if your intervals are on the bottom, you have to bring them to the top by double clicking, then you have to reload the queue again.

Try double tapping from halfway down this playlist you only get 47 songs this way, it’s just not how I work .

Cheers

MusicMan81

Kevtyler if you do this… the queue will recognize the entire playlist as a chain…

If you select any song in the middle “while on playlist mode” and go to queue, it will be reorganized as “start from here” kind of, and is not erasing anything. Is just reorganizing

Kevtyler

But I do accept it is a good work around if you just want to bring 47 songs in to focus, like during an interval, so once again thanks

MusicMan81

Kevtyler Well, lucky me it works with any number of songs in my iPad, I guess…