Audio segment icon indicators logic suggestion.

Damir

Hi Peter, it would be good if you can make the icons disappear when not needed.
Example, when permanent loop icon appears and you choose another segment it now is indicating false information as it’s not going to loop again it is going to jump to the newly selected loop , my suggestion is either make the icon disappear as you select next, and to even make more sense give us an icon to indicate we are jumping to another loop.
Reason behind this is the next to play loop is most likely not in view anymore so you can’t see it flashing yet you see the permanent loop is in view which is misleading,
By having the permanent loop disappear gives us a more true indication of what is happening next , and by adding a jump indicator it also tells us we are jumping to another unseen newly selected loop , without this jumping indicator we could think we are moving to the next door loop yet this is also false.
Logic that should be applied is, whatever we choose to do make sure the now playing loop indicates the correct information.

musicadi

Damir You do have visual feedback that you will be going out of the loop. Once you select a new region, it will start flashing. This indicates that it will play next.

peter

Damir You are right, in ST3 the playback mode of the currently playing region has been reset when you selected another. ST4 is missing this.

Damir

musicadi You do have visual feedback that you will be going out of the loop. Once you select a new region, it will start flashing. This indicates that it will play next.

Yes, but if your next loop is not in vision you do not have any indication , I normally have 8 to 16 loops in my songs as all my songs are all fully looped from beginning to end .

Damir

musicadi Damir You do have visual feedback that you will be going out of the loop. Once you select a new region, it will start flashing. This indicates that it will play next.

Example 1

What do you see here? A loop playing , that has permanent loop active so you are expecting this loop to keep looping, wrong , next door is a loop that has been selected and the information in the now playing loop is incorrect , so the loop icon should not be there.

Example 2

What do you see here?
A loop playing in permanent loop mode, you are expecting for this loop to keep looping , wrong again, you have actually selected another loop that’s out of sight so now not only is the now playing loop icon telling you wrong information , in this case you do not even see the next selected loop that’s supposedly flashing but it’s out of sight so it’s useless, now you are running blind and you are misinformed by the icon that should not be present in the now playing loop.
My suggestion is to present us with a jump icon instead so we can always see if we are looping or jumping or playing through as then there would be no icon at all.
I hope you see my point now.

That’s the reason I want to be able to select the now playing loop and this places it as the next loop which now flashes just like any other next selected loop.
The next press on this loop puts it in to permanent loop, next tap places a stop and a fourth tap cancels all selections , this creates a smooth workflow with minimal loop modes and clearly shows us what we are doing.
There are no traps or misunderstood icons.
Simple

musicadi

Damir Ok, got it 👍

Damir

Thanks Peter, I hope we get this perfect as it’s very important for people using loops, everything is starting to feel good ,
After playing around some more I noticed one more thing, as you are playing a segment and select another one , you are now stuck with this choice , if you decide to change your mind and decide to place a permanent loop or a stop on the now playing segment this is ignored and the next loop plays, this I believe to be wrong behaviour , whatever you choose to do last in the now playing segment the software should obey that wish. This means just because you chose a next segment but then decided to permanent loop or stop the now playing segment this should be allowed and when you cancel the permanent loop it moves on to the selected next segment , same with stop as it stops it jumps to next selected segment.
The idea is whatever you do on the run takes precedence and after completion continues with NEXT selection.
I hope I explained it clearly enough for you to see the benefits.
This logic does not lock us in and gives us freedom to change things last moment.

peter

Playmode of current region is reset when selecting another region. And when you select another region, tapping on the currently playing region will deselect any other region to cancel the jump to that region.

Changed in build 2104.

Damir

peter Playmode of current region is reset when selecting another region. And when you select another region, tapping on the currently playing region will deselect any other region to cancel the jump to that region.

Changed in build 2104.

Great improvement , now it feels like I have confident control of segments , perhaps a jump indicator in the future updates when things settle down would take care of the problem when selecting loops outside the view.

Regarding the one time loop icon and finger operation of regions.
The logic still feels wrong.
Why?
One time loop is in the wrong order and unnecessary when finger selecting,
Why? In play mode.
To get a single repeat of this playing segment I should just select the same segment it then flashes like any other next segment but in this case it pops up the single repeat icon, this is same logic as ST3.
It then eliminates one unnecessary step when going through the segment menu.
Making it much more efficient operationally.
Tap one, repeats once this segment.
Tap two, puts it in permanent loop
Tap three, places a STOP.
Tap four, resets everything

When selecting another segment that’s not playing
while in play mode.

Tap one , selects the segment as NEXT
Tap two, places a PERMANENT LOOP
Tap three, puts a STOP
Tap four, puts a SKIP
Tap five, RESETS all selections

I am trying to reduce unnecessary steps and improve on stage experience and still give everyone what they need in the most efficient way.
If anyone can improve this logic please comment.