Frustrating behaviour of song selection area.

Damir

Hi Peter, ive been meaning to point this out ages ago but have been putting up with it to not interrupt your other progress, but i just got too frustrated and here it is.
In song selection when i select one of my 422 songs in a playlist gig and want to drag it to the begining of the playlist two things frustrate me , i long touch the song and drag it to the top to get maximum speed to quickly move the song firstly the speed is way to slow to do this then the whammy comes at the end when i reach the begining of the list the song simply dissapears back to its original spot and i have to do this long time consuming proccess again numerous times , the way out of it is to drop the song just before the end stop hits then drag it again slowly to get it to be the first song.
I would change the speed variations to be better spread in this window, the middle of that window should be slow movement and as you progresivelly move towards the top or bottom depending on direction it should speed up to the point if you hit the end point it almost jumps to the beginning of the list, this would give us much faster and greater control of moving songs around the playlist, at the moment the control seems to be mainly at the extreme ends, but then its not really fast and then you loose your song as it hits the end.
Another thing i would do is make it so you can travel in a loop in any direction so if you have a song at the end you dont need to travel through all the songs to get to the begining as in my case i am on my 422 nd song i would like to just go down a bit more and get to my 1st song saving me a lot of time.
I have requested this in the begining of st2 and it was too hard so i hope it might be possible now, as its always been a pain in the butt, specially now as i have a much larger library.
If its too hard perhaps consider it in ST4.
Cheers Damir

peter

The speed settings are dictated by iOS. There is no option I could set to influence it.

Regarding the loop: this goes completely against iOS user interface guidelines. I try to follow those wherever possible even if it seems suboptimal to you. But it helps transitioning from one app to another and not following those guidelines can lead to rejection in the app review.

Damir

peter what about the song jumping back to original spot when the end is reached that to me is a bug.

peter

As far as I know that can happen when you release your tap outside of the list view. The whole drag & drop procedure is handled by iOS, the app is only notified once the gesture completes about the moved item and which position it was moved to. So the only way to improve that would be to completely rewrite it from the ground up, which I am not willing to do.

AnthonyB

I find that list drag'n'drop is a lottery on every platform I use (Windows, iOS, Android) when it comes to speed inconsistency, stop/start, and that annoying 'reset' just when you've almost got that list item to where you needed it!

The other option is to include a mode/option that when you are in a Playlist, toggles the numbers for each song on left-side of screen to being editable fields. That way, that song that you've just added at the bottom of the list and is number 492, you can just edit that field to be 8. That song then moves up to 8 and all the other songs from 8 and lower move down 1 spot.

This is the same method you see on some survey platforms where they ask you to order a bunch of options from highest priority to lowest priority. Each row will have a drag 'pad' as well as an editable number field.

Damir

AnthonyB all these things become very important once you start getting a larger library and frustrating when you do use other software without these problems.
Hopefully st4 will fix this.

Damir

AnthonyB I find that list drag'n'drop is a lottery on every platform I use (Windows, iOS, Android) when it comes to speed inconsistency, stop/start, and that annoying 'reset' just when you've almost got that list item to where you needed it!

I am worried about future development of software especially ST because the latest Apple operating systems have more and more bugs and stupid logic , it seems like we are going backwards not forwards,
Reason is I am sorting out lifetime of photos/videos and the basic operation of file system is frustrating the hell out of me , search engine absolutely sucks , the folder sizes are not updated immediately nothing just works as it use to be so reliable now it feels like it’s in its early development stage and we are experimental mice used to fix things.
Apple really need to start employing people with lifetime experience not some new born geniuses that have certificates that are not worthy of toilet paper. 🤣

AnthonyB

I hear you!

I'm trying to stay as balanced as possible on this type of Apple vs XXX and iOS vs Android and MacOS vs Windows type conversation as it really doesn't achieve much.. aside from blowing off frustration ;-)

I'm primarily a Windows/Android user, but have always had iPads/iPhones in my household so I do get to use both regularly. Now that I've adopted Stage Traxx, I'm really having to use iOS more.

I'm old enough to remember the original Mac vs PC attack ads. I've never liked Apple's happiness to take a perceived place of snobbery and 'creative elitism'. I also have a thing against Apple as they bought Logic Pro and killed off the Windows version (which I owned and was using) simply because it was not in their interest to support the Windows platform.
While Windows took some horrible missteps, today I think it's a rock solid OS. Android might be younger than iOS, but I think it is a fair way ahead today. Again, just my opinions and I likely still have biases driving that. Even more important these days, we probably all hope the OS is a moot point, because the app itself is what gives us the actual productivity, not the OS. And yet OS elements that the app relies on (e.g. network stack, UI features) can really degrade that experience.