AUDI SEGMENT EDITOR improvement request

Damir

Hi Peter, i normally use my ipad pro to edit the audio segments but lately i went on my Mac Studio using mouse and keyboard.
I found some frustrating things on the Mac, one of them i already mentioned but will do again 🤪.
When you select a region and you get the handles to drag the ends , this means you are focused on this area of the song , when i think i have finished the perfect edit i need to check it against all other loops so while in play i click on an end point of another loop using the playhead region hoping to get a quick test x over from that loop to my now selected loop , but instead it just plays through to next loop, this i believe is not the appropriate thing to do.
Some loops are long we don't want to waste time listening to to the whole loop so we use the playhead to skip to the point thats required to jump back to our loop thats being tested.
If i have a loop selected to edit, it means that loop is my centre of attraction unless i deselect it or i choose another loop, at the moment your logic is not very helpful, to achieve my goal i need to deselect my loop and reselect it to get the result i should have automated.
The now selected loop should always be the centre of attraction because i have selected it which means i am working on that loop, so i expect at any other loop end to come back to my now selected loop automatically until i deselect it or i choose another loop to concentrate on.
This would greatly speed up completing a perfect loop editing process.
At the moment i am forced to deselect this loop and reselect it so i can test all loops are working together perfectly.

Now the other thing that bothers me is , why is it when i touch my keyboard space bar i immediately get to rename my segment? This has caused me numerous times to accidentally get rid of my already named segments,
The space bar is meant to stop start my playback like all other software when using the editor , it makes it really awkward to be continually moving the mouse to the little play triangle all the time on an 85 inch big screen and the logical space bar stop start does nothing but give me grief , because all other software behaves that way i tend to hit the space bar more often then not because it is logical to do so.
The behaviour should be spacebar should stop start audio unless you click on the name area , this means you need to rename a segment thats selected and the keyboard is then engaged where you then use it , once you exit the naming area the spacebar becomes a normal stop start button.
It makes more sense and i will not be deleting already named segments by mistake.

Both of these improvements would greatly speed up the audio segment editing process on the MAC especially.
Cheers Damir

peter

Isn't this exactly what you requested a month ago?

Damir

peter Isn't this exactly what you requested a month ago?

Yes, one request I made to improve the logic and speed of finishing a loop on an iPad, but now that I was using a Mac computer this has really amplified this problem, and I noticed the other drama of space bar not doing expected things so I thought I’d package the two issues in one post.
Using a finger on a small operating surface like an iPad is not as bad as using a mouse to continually hunt for a small triangle on a very large screen when the space bar is a very standard place to have stop start to speed up operation.

Damir

Hi Peter, after playing around with my Mac Studio keyboard to try to get it to operate ST3, I am beginning to think the keyboard is not ment to do anything else but type stuff in the lyrics editor, is that correct?
I can use TAB to move to playlist history area from song selection but I can't select anything, I can move up and down in the song menu by using arrow up and down but I can't select anything , as I said earlier I can't even hit spacebar to stop start ST3, is the keyboard meant to do anything for us apart from typing text?
If not why not?
it would definitely be a great help, instead of relying just on the mouse.
Cheers Damir

peter

As always, the documentation is your friend. See here for available keyboard commands: https://stagetraxx.com/user-guide/lyrics/#keyboard-shortcuts

Damir

peter As always, the documentation is your friend. See here for available keyboard commands: https://stagetraxx.com/user-guide/lyrics/#keyboard-shortcuts

Hi Peter, Firstly Command,shift,edit does not work to stop/start control in any mode of ST3 on my MAC STUDIO keyboard.
Secondly WHY would I want THIS ? 3 finger awkward command to something I use very regularly and should be as simple as hitting SPACE BAR?
Thirdly the LOGIC of operation of playhead in the AUDIO SEGMENT EDITOR is not working efficiently and the way it should when using ST3 on the MAC STUDIO, its bearable on the iPad but even there it lacks LOGIC to help the user.
Perhaps my very long and precise explanation has not helped.

When audio segment editing.
Very simply put. I am pointing out the weaknesses of this mode, and how the speed of editing can improve greatly .

I expect to be able to STOP START play by pressing SPACE BAR on keyboard as well as hitting the very tiny area of play triangle on my very large screen.

Playhead LOGIC needs to change depending if you select a segment or not.
If you don't have a segment selected Playhead logic remains the way it is.
If you select a segment the playhead LOGIC should be,
When you hit SPACEBAR to play the song it should always play through to a loop point and jump to the SELECTED AUDIO loop segment beginning, why? because you have selected that segment which means you are working on it and it should be the FOCUS point of what you are trying to do, and that is TESTING YOUR LOOP POINTS , when I select a loop I am editing I need to drag my playhead to a point where it will play through till the loop end then it needs to jump back to my FOCUSED loop point so I can hear with ease of what it sounds like , this has to be done on all my loops created to make sure when I choose any loop it will work correctly , this is very time consuming if the logic of operation is not setup to favour the user.
ALSO when I drag the playhead in to the loop that's selected , this should automatically OBEY my selection of this loop and keep on looping this segment as I have the handle bars telling me I am in the loop edit mode so why is it not looping this section.
At the moment you have no purpose in logic of the playhead behaviour in this mode, as soon as you drag your playhead all logic is lost the song just plays through all loop points , WHY? I don't need to hear the full song again in its entirety I NEED TO HEAR HOW MY LOOP POINTS BEHAVE.
I need the software to work for me not against me.

Naming Loops, When you select a loop, the keyboard should behave to serve the user , the space bar is your STOP START , ONLY when you select the NAME area should the keyboard become a normal keyboard for typing and space bar is now a space bar.
When you hit enter and your name is DONE the keyboard becomes a useful tool to keep creating loops, SPACE BAR becomes your STOP START again and any other controls we might need to speed up our editing process.
WE DEFINITELY DO NOT WANT 3 FINGER COMMANDS, this is the LAST RESORT on Very COMPLICATED software that is running out of screen space.
To me its a sign of BLOATED software and an easy way to program things , just let the user suffer but its easy to program.
I did not mention these issues before because I never really used my MAC Studio for editing, I found the IPAD was much faster and more convenient.
But now that I am using the MAC , it really shows the weaknesses, although having the big screen is wonderfull.
If you still don't see my point please let me know perhaps I can explain it differently.
By doing things slightly different makes a big difference in speed of completing a song, which is my goal, I have edited around 500 songs to ST3 fullest capability excluding MIDI of course so I am well aware of what the issues are.
I hope this helps to FINE TUNE It .
Cheers Damir

Damir

Hi Peter, while I am playing around in this area I will make another suggestion to speed things up and logical.
As you exit the ADIO SEGMENT EDITOR , top left of screen you enter SONG DETAILS now you have in that same spot WAVEFORM REFRESH, my suggestion would be it makes more sense to have the DONE button or perhaps make this the same as the exit to PLAYLIST and EDIT AUDIO SEGMENTS < indicator to maintain consistency, this would be much faster and easier on the brain to get back to your main player than having to go to the right side of the screen, and less chance of hitting the WAVEFORM REFRESH button accidentally.

Damir

Sorry Peter I know you are working on ST4 , just a quick observation ST3 on MAC , when you double tap on VOLUME slider it does not auto reset to DEFAULT setting you have to drag it .

peter

The key commands are for the lyrics editor.

You can map any key command in Assign Actions to use during normal operation (not editing). So you can map Space to start/stop playback.

Please for the love of god, keep your postings short. I have to spend so much time reading your posts it keeps me from working an the app.

Damir

peter Please for the love of god, keep your postings short. I have to spend so much time reading your posts it keeps me from working an the app.

Sorry ! 😩 il try , the things that need fine tuning are hard to explain simply,
I need stop start on space bar.
The Audio segment editor is unnecessarily frustrating.
Cheers Damir