Feedback- looping

Damir

Hi Peter, after using ST3 a number of times on stage there’s a lot to love , but there’s a bit to hate.
So let’s concentrate on the hate.
I hate the fact you gave me a convenient loop button on my lyrics screen that I don’t need yet the button I really desperately could always use is not there, and that’s the select button.
Because I was using the interface by finger I found it impossible to choose small loops so a select button on the side would have made it somehow manageable yet I get a useless permanent loop button which I might use once in a blue moon. I don’t need to bore my audience with a permanent loop but I do want to jump around the song reliably and entertain my audience by giving them extra varied sections of my song.
Because I was forced to use my fingers on the loop selection areas due to lack of convenient select switch I again struck the dreaded problem of dropping down the lyrics window by mistake as it’s too close to the damn TAP TO CLOSE area. So frustration on stage was gathering momentum very rapidly, so my feedback again is on stage ST3 is struggling due to poor layout and choice of logical operation with buttons and selection areas.
I don’t think this is something I will get use to with time , it’s just not working as it should.
I don’t mind the buttons on the side but they need to be further apart, they need to be a choice of what they do with select option as primary option with other options as secondary options, THESE TWO BUTTONS NEED TO BE AVAILABLE ON IPHONE PORTRAIT MODE AND LANDSCAPE, they are a must there as iPhones have even smaller looped areas,

there are other things to report but they can wait, I have just done 4 varied gigs and these things really were the things that showed to be a problem .
I used the lyrics only feature on iPhone last gig and found a number of issues there but won’t mention them till more important issues a improved.
Cheers Damir

peter

Why don't you use the assignable buttons? They are bigger than the ones in the lyrics section.

Damir

peter Why don't you use the assignable buttons? They are bigger than the ones in the lyrics section.

Those buttons are great for dual button functions like speed and pitch. I don’t need bigger I just need the convenient positioning.
Single button functions like audio mute, loop select and Xfade are much better on the right side where it’s easy to touch them with my right hand and I don’t block my lyrics screen when touching them , placing your hand over the whole screen to touch the waveform area is not good especially when you can’t Easley select small loop areas and on top of all that the chances of accidentally dropping the whole lyrics screen are very great, so everything is against you nothing is working in your favour.
This is very frustrating especially when you get a function button that could make this a bit easier but you get a function on it you don’t really need like permanent loop which I hardly ever need.
All my permanent loops I use are pre programmed and I use select switch again to disable them, so the button I actually need is not available on the interface, the logic behind this choice is not great, just like your original permanent loop logic it was all wrong and now it is very usable . The best solution is seperate the two buttons a bit so you don’t accidentally hit the wrong one , allow us to choose which button does what and allow us to also get rid of them if not needed.
And most importantly allow these buttons to be there in portrait mode on iPhones as they are most needed there so loop selection is easier.

peter

You use an iPhone to control your playbacks on stage while changing loop points? Does that really work. I find even an iPad Mini to be too small to use on stage.

Damir

peter You use an iPhone to control your playbacks on stage while changing loop points? Does that really work. I find even an iPad Mini to be too small to use

I’ve got 20/20 vision the iPhone 11 Pro Max has a generous screen and more storage than my iPad , I keep a mirror image on iPhone as a backup for iPad, you alway need a backup plan , there are no second chances when doing weddings, the iPhone is Bluetoothed to mixer so I can control it anywhere in venue , when I hit the entrance song I have the luxury of using loops to jump around the selected song so I can create the perfect atmosphere as the bridal party enter on the run this gives me freedom to end to required time so nothing is fixed it time like before, it is fantastic , this applies to dancing with bride and exit song, having looping is a godsend , it is brilliant except not much thought has be put in to it when it comes to controlling it, my iPad is on stage on my mic stand angled so audience can hardly see it and I use foot pedal and and hand control on my guitar to control things but I also use the iPad itself for certain gigs.
The problem with iPad it’s too dangerous to use the loop area as you can easily drop down the lyrics screen due to the TAP TO CLOSE area being to close to loops selection it is especially hard when you have small loops and you have to hit the area numerous times because the wrong loop was chosen then one of those numerous hits also closes the lyrics window as you are painfully trying to choose the correct loop, so this issue is absolutely important to fix, having a select button on side is a great help as it’s positioned in a good spot where you don’t ever cover your screen , having this on iPhone in portrait mode would absolutely help as that’s the view I use to select my backing music and then it would give me easy finger control to manoeuvre through the loops , this would be much better than touching the loop area itself.

So there is a very good logic to my madness, I use both devices , and am pushing them both to the limits of their usefulness for a very good outcome for the guests and audiences , and for me as well to be relaxed and confident on and off the stage when using ST3. I still think having solid colour on loops would improve visibility when performing.